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    2g EQ and 400mg Test with no AI....

    I started my cycle about 8 weeks ago with 1.2g EQ, 600mg test, 25mg/day proviron. Added in pheraplex clone aquaplex after 5 weeks. The test was legend oils test E and P. It was very strong and I used about... 0.3mg adex every 3 days or so to keep bloating down.
    I've been bumping my EQ up over the past 4 weeks up to 2.5 grams now. I dropped about 4lbs almost immediately. I also switched to the Legend raws and started aquaplex a week before I did this. I also haven't used any AI since I did this. Does this sound right? Test is down at 400mg a week. My blood pressure was 152/80 when I gave blood a few days ago. So now the aquaplex is done which should help my blood pressure. But....honestly it doesn't seem like the test is doing anything. Or the EQ is just completely taking over I can't tell. Libido is a little under normal. I guess I'm asking someone elses opinion on Legend raws. Maybe the EQ is acting like the AI... IDK. Going by an article I read, the quote is below, that is what I am assuming. 2g EQ and 400mg Test with no AI....

    One explanation is found in the drug’s metabolism. Specifically, Boldenone metabolizes to an anti-aromatase inhibitor known as 1,4 dienedone. This could certainly explain why Boldenone, despite its relatively high rate of aromatization, does not deliver anywhere near the estrogenic punch that its aromatization rate implies.

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    I've got no answers but I'm subbed out of interest - I like the idea of low test high eq


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    Yeah this is high EQ low test territory. I needed ai on 1.2g EQ and 600mg test(legend oils). But now I need absolutely none on 2.4g EQ and 400mg test(raws). Either the EQ is doing something to the estrogen or the legend raws I got are bunk or underdosed. I am using two kinds of test by the way. Both legend raws. I'm using about 225 test acetate and 225 test Enth. No bloat whatsoever.

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    Maybe wait another 2-3 weeks until the increased dosage fully kicks - not saying it's the answer to the AI question but as you know the undecyclenate ester has an active half life of 15 days


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    So your 8 weeks into this high EQ run...
    What type of results have you seen?

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    Have you needed an ai at that low of a test dose? I didn't use an ai at 500mgs of test and had no noticeable bloating or any estro issues. Eq doesn't aromatize so I'm thinking you're not having much aromatization so estro is not an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rambo99 View Post
    Have you needed an ai at that low of a test dose? I didn't use an ai at 500mgs of test and had no noticeable bloating or any estro issues. Eq doesn't aromatize so I'm thinking you're not having much aromatization so estro is not an issue.

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    Nvmd, I made a mistake eq does aromatize just to a lesser degree then test.

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    EQ absolutely aromatizes. At 2.5g/wk I'd expect you to need an AI.
    I've always needed an AI on EQ.
    If you haven't had labwork done, I'd suggest getting it now.
    If you have had labs, please post the results.
    BTW: What was your iron level when you donated blood (the finger stick).

    I will be busy most of the day but will check back on this thread later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Fitness View Post
    BTW: What was your iron level when you donated blood (the finger stick).

    I will be busy most of the day but will check back on this thread later.
    Paranoid, curious why you asked about iron? Will this be out of whack on high EQ?

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    Just realized you were probably focused on Hemoglobin which would be high especially while on a high EQ run....

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    Iron level was right smack in the middle. Like.... 126 if I remember somewhat correctly. All I know is I needed adex on the legend oils. Now I don't need anything on the raws.
    So your 8 weeks into this high EQ run...
    What type of results have you seen?
    Veins are everywhere and huge. I can't pinn without hitting shit now. Before I could pinn anywhere with ease. I gave up trying to bulk. I am using it as a cutter/lean gains now. Using IGF also by the way. I just seem to be trimming fat and putting on muscle at a medium steady rate staying exactly the same weight around 220lbs. I started at 212lbs my high was 227lbs. Resultwise with everything I am taking...strength... started out doing 150 barbell incline 3-4 sets of 10-12. Now I am doing like 4 sets of 25-30. That was my weakest body part. Very high reps in general is my workout now. I had pretty bad night sweats and I sweat after I eat also which is weird. Maybe I have dropped enough bodyfat% that I just don't notice the aromatase>? I mean early on I couldn't scratch my own back and was pretty uncomfortable without adex. Is anyone here using legend raw test just to confirm they are not underdosed??? Oh and hair is coming out pretty steady since I bumped up the EQ. Nothing crazy. Just a few extra here and there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raysd21 View Post
    Iron level was right smack in the middle. Like.... 126 if I remember somewhat correctly. All I know is I needed adex on the legend oils. Now I don't need anything on the raws.

    Veins are everywhere and huge. I can't pinn without hitting shit now. Before I could pinn anywhere with ease. I gave up trying to bulk. I am using it as a cutter/lean gains now. Using IGF also by the way. I just seem to be trimming fat and putting on muscle at a medium steady rate staying exactly the same weight around 220lbs. I started at 212lbs my high was 227lbs. Resultwise with everything I am taking...strength... started out doing 150 barbell incline 3-4 sets of 10-12. Now I am doing like 4 sets of 25-30. That was my weakest body part. Very high reps in general is my workout now. I had pretty bad night sweats and I sweat after I eat also which is weird. Maybe I have dropped enough bodyfat% that I just don't notice the aromatase>? I mean early on I couldn't scratch my own back and was pretty uncomfortable without adex. Is anyone here using legend raw test just to confirm they are not underdosed??? Oh and hair is coming out pretty steady since I bumped up the EQ. Nothing crazy. Just a few extra here and there.
    Those strength gains are QUITE impressive. You basically doubled your reps on incline bench? I'd take that any day! How much has your squat and deadlift increased?

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    Raysd21, how does this sound for a first cycle? Test E@250mgs/wk and EQ@600-900mgs/wk for 20 weeks with Proviron@25mgs/ED? I'm 40 years old, 6'3" 235lbs and 8-9% bf. NOT looking for huge weight gains(25-30lbs) and the bloofy look. Looking to add 10-12lbs of lean body mass and stay dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Millineum Man View Post
    Raysd21, how does this sound for a first cycle? Test E@250mgs/wk and EQ@600-900mgs/wk for 20 weeks with Proviron@25mgs/ED? I'm 40 years old, 6'3" 235lbs and 8-9% bf. NOT looking for huge weight gains(25-30lbs) and the bloofy look. Looking to add 10-12lbs of lean body mass and stay dry.
    Ray, what's your take on this cycle?

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    very interesting read. Def keep an eye on your hemo

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