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    arimidex Vs. Nolvadex






    Which one is better?

    1. PCT
    2. least amount of sides
    3. most effective for dealing with estrogen
    4. and anything else anyone wants to add


    Thanks!

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    nolva for pct .. adex for estrogen during cycle... I haven't noticed any sides with either of the two. something to add.. if you do happen to develop gyno don't wait, do your research and get on a letro regimen (i know that wasn't part of the topic, but when adex doesn't cut it you have to be prepared to use a stronger substance)

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    Quote Originally Posted by heady muscle View Post
    Which one is better?

    1. PCT
    2. least amount of sides
    3. most effective for dealing with estrogen
    4. and anything else anyone wants to add


    Thanks!
    1.) Both; studies have shown that SERMs & AI's raise testosterone similarly.

    2.) Neither have significant side effects when usd properly.

    3.) When you ask "which is better for dealing with estrogen?", you question is not phrased proplery, but I will attempt to answer it from a few different angles anyway. Basically, Nolva is only better for only one thing---stopping gyno when it has already become a problem. This is because Nolva has the ability to knock currently exitsing estrogen off the estrogen receptor sites in breast tissue, immediately halting its progression, while AI's can only prevent future estrogen formation. AI's can't do anything to stop currently formed estrogen from causing side effects. However, if the steroid user had been responsible and used AI's proplery right from the start of his cycle, estrogen levels never would have risen outside the normal range to begin with. Therefore, AI's are better for virtually ALL estrogen related issues, as long as they are used BEFORE there is a problem. Why?

    Because Nolva does absolutely NOTHING to lower whole-body estrogen levels. The only thing it does is attach to estrogen receptor sites, preventing estrogen from causing side effects at that site, but this only works for certain things, like gyno. Estrogen levels will still be sky high throughout the rest of the body, causing all sorts of potential problems, like water retention, fat gain, and increased blood pressure. Basically, estrogen levels will be just as high as ever when using Nolva. This is why, when using aromatizable steroids, the user continues to look bloated watery when using Nolva--because it isn't doing shit to lower estrogen levels. It continues to wreak havoc on the entire body. You might not get gyno, but you will still be left with every other estrogenic side effect in the book...and look like it to.

    AI's stop estrogen from ever being made in the first place, thereby reducing whole-body estrogen levels. This makes them superior for dealing with all estrogen related problems, so long as the user begins using AI's before estrogen levels rise to high.

    4.) That's about it. Use a properly dosed AI to prevent estrogen levels from ever becoming elevated in the first place and by doing so, you will never encounter any estrogenic side effects. Nolva is not an anti-estrogen. It simply competes for the estrogen receptor. Nolva should never be used to deal with elevated estrogen leves, simply because it does nothoing to reduce them. It's sole us is for treating gyno when it has already become problematic. Ohh, and it is useful for PCT as well.
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    That is by far one of the best responses I have seen on here in a while. Thanks.
    Hope you don't mind a few follow up questions:

    1.) Both; studies have shown that SERMs & AI's raise testosterone similarly. Great

    2.) Neither have significant side effects when usd properly.
    Okay, don't snort the pills!

    3.) When you ask "which is better for dealing with estrogen?", you question is not phrased proplery, but I will attempt to answer it from a few different angles anyway. Basically, Nolva is only better for only one thing---stopping gyno when it has already become a problem. This is because Nolva has the ability to knock currently exitsing estrogen off the estrogen receptor sites in breast tissue, immediately halting its progression, while AI's can only prevent future estrogen formation. AI's can't do anything to stop currently formed estrogen from causing side effects. However, if the steroid user had been responsible and used AI's proplery right from the start of his cycle, estrogen levels never would have risen outside the normal range to begin with. Therefore, AI's are better for virtually ALL estrogen related issues, as long as they are used BEFORE there is a problem. Why?
    Understood.

    Because Nolva does absolutely NOTHING to lower whole-body estrogen levels. The only thing it does is attach to estrogen receptor sites, preventing estrogen from causing side effects at that site, but this only works for certain things, like gyno. Estrogen levels will still be sky high throughout the rest of the body, causing all sorts of potential problems, like water retention, fat gain, and increased blood pressure. Basically, estrogen levels will be just as high as ever when using Nolva. This is why, when using aromatizable steroids, the user continues to look bloated watery when using Nolva--because it isn't doing shit to lower estrogen levels. It continues to wreak havoc on the entire body. You might not get gyno, but you will still be left with every other estrogenic side effect in the book...and look like it to.

    AI's stop estrogen from ever being made in the first place, thereby reducing whole-body estrogen levels. This makes them superior for dealing with all estrogen related problems, so long as the user begins using AI's before estrogen levels rise to high.

    So, are AI's not as good during a PCT phase for combating the estrogen rebound effect after a run?


    4.) That's about it. Use a properly dosed AI to prevent estrogen levels from ever becoming elevated in the first place and by doing so, you will never encounter any estrogenic side effects. Nolva is not an anti-estrogen. It simply competes for the estrogen receptor. Nolva should never be used to deal with elevated estrogen leves, simply because it does nothoing to reduce them. It's sole us is for treating gyno when it has already become problematic. Ohh, and it is useful for PCT as well.


    After coming OFF an AI or SERM, which will have a more significant estrogen rebound affect, if any at all?


    Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by heady muscle View Post
    That is by far one of the best responses I have seen on here in a while. Thanks.
    Hope you don't mind a few follow up questions:

    1.) Both; studies have shown that SERMs & AI's raise testosterone similarly. Great

    2.) Neither have significant side effects when usd properly.
    Okay, don't snort the pills!

    3.) When you ask "which is better for dealing with estrogen?", you question is not phrased proplery, but I will attempt to answer it from a few different angles anyway. Basically, Nolva is only better for only one thing---stopping gyno when it has already become a problem. This is because Nolva has the ability to knock currently exitsing estrogen off the estrogen receptor sites in breast tissue, immediately halting its progression, while AI's can only prevent future estrogen formation. AI's can't do anything to stop currently formed estrogen from causing side effects. However, if the steroid user had been responsible and used AI's proplery right from the start of his cycle, estrogen levels never would have risen outside the normal range to begin with. Therefore, AI's are better for virtually ALL estrogen related issues, as long as they are used BEFORE there is a problem. Why?
    Understood.

    Because Nolva does absolutely NOTHING to lower whole-body estrogen levels. The only thing it does is attach to estrogen receptor sites, preventing estrogen from causing side effects at that site, but this only works for certain things, like gyno. Estrogen levels will still be sky high throughout the rest of the body, causing all sorts of potential problems, like water retention, fat gain, and increased blood pressure. Basically, estrogen levels will be just as high as ever when using Nolva. This is why, when using aromatizable steroids, the user continues to look bloated watery when using Nolva--because it isn't doing shit to lower estrogen levels. It continues to wreak havoc on the entire body. You might not get gyno, but you will still be left with every other estrogenic side effect in the book...and look like it to.

    AI's stop estrogen from ever being made in the first place, thereby reducing whole-body estrogen levels. This makes them superior for dealing with all estrogen related problems, so long as the user begins using AI's before estrogen levels rise to high.

    So, are AI's not as good during a PCT phase for combating the estrogen rebound effect after a run?
    Yes, AI's are good for PCT...and are the ONLY drug useful for combatting estrogen rebound (if you even experience it to begin with), as AI's are the ONLY drug that actually reduces estrogen levels. SERMS, such as Nolva, don't.

    4.) That's about it. Use a properly dosed AI to prevent estrogen levels from ever becoming elevated in the first place and by doing so, you will never encounter any estrogenic side effects. Nolva is not an anti-estrogen. It simply competes for the estrogen receptor. Nolva should never be used to deal with elevated estrogen leves, simply because it does nothoing to reduce them. It's sole us is for treating gyno when it has already become problematic. Ohh, and it is useful for PCT as well.


    After coming OFF an AI or SERM, which will have a more significant estrogen rebound affect, if any at all?

    I don't think you understand the difference between SERM's and AI's. SERMS's don't do ANYTHING to reduce estrogen levels. So, it doesn't matter whether you are On or OFF--estrogen levels will remain the same.

    Only AI's reduce estrogen levels. There are two clasess: suicide inhibitors and non-suicide inhibitors. Suicide inhibitors, such as aromasin, permanently deactivate the estrogen receptor after attaching to it, so there can never be estrogen rebound. Other AI's, like Arimidex, don't permanently attach to estrogen, so as soon as you stop using it, estrogen is released back into the bloodstream, potentially causing estrogen rebound.

    Thanks again
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    Got it! Awesome info. Much appreciated!

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    What about the bro-science that Nolva should not be used with tren or Deca? Any truth or science to that???

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