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    girl im friends with, (possibly more down the road) just started 25mg of var for her show. I personally dont think she even needed it, but her coach insisted. this girl means alot to me, and shes already experiencing side effects. isnt 25mg a high dose for a chick? thought it was like 10mg? shes doing figure, and without any supps besides her pre workout and her hardcore diet, shes dialed in. shes already lookin like she could take 1 week and be good to go on stage. just frustrating i guess.... thoughts?
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    Yeah, 10mg safely. Hell yeah man, a couple that trains together stays together.



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    Quote Originally Posted by IronAddict View Post
    Yeah, 10mg safely. Hell yeah man, a couple that trains together stays together.
    man thats what i thought, and told her, but shes all, well my trainer says this..... im like, ok whatever im gonna shutup now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airbornejonny18b View Post
    man thats what i thought, and told her, but shes all, well my trainer says this..... im like, ok whatever im gonna shutup now.

    Love the do not print on those pants. I can only imagine what a good dosing of var would do, cause she wasn't too far off, bro.



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    Quote Originally Posted by IronAddict View Post
    Love the do not print on those pants. I can only imagine what a good dosing of var would do, cause she wasn't too far off, bro.
    Yeh the pants r epic. Yeh, she isn't far off. Plus she has plenty of time before her show. A good dose of var would be what, 10mg? I don't get the 25mg dose he has her on. And there are other photos I shall not post as I like her and she likes me. Any ladies wanna ad their input?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airbornejonny18b View Post
    Yeh the pants r epic. Yeh, she isn't far off. Plus she has plenty of time before her show. A good dose of var would be what, 10mg? I don't get the 25mg dose he has her on. And there are other photos I shall not post as I like her and she likes me. Any ladies wanna ad their input?
    10mg is what I've learned, but maybe he figures a short blast wouldn't be bad. But you did say she's already experiencing sides? Just keep an eye her man, that's your woman.

    And I know exactly what you mean about those other pics.



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    thats her like 3weeks ago. and she started var aweek ago. in 1 week before she started the var, her body changed even more for the good.
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    Check ok KOS log on his lady she is running 10mg daily. My lady will run 10mg for 60 days starting in sept.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IronAddict View Post
    That damn reputation thingamacounter, that's another can o' worms! 7 wks isn't too short..... Well she's motivated that's for sure. Just watch over her and let her know she's going to far. Because 25mg won't have the same effect next time.

    Too be honest, sounds like he's relying on the var to make himself look good. But I don't know the guy, that's where you step in.
    That's what I personally think. She's done her own diet own training but for some reason she was recommended to this guy who does show prep diets. I've never met him, but I have a few choice words I would like to say

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    Check ok KOS log on his lady she is running 10mg daily. My lady will run 10mg for 60 days starting in sept.


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    That's fantastic she's going to compete! Yeah, 25 mg is a little high. As Sassy69 says, it's always good start low and go slow when adding supplements. Can always up dosage or increase frequency later once you are familiar with effects. Hard to take away once you're down the road.

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    Trainers are....emotionally involved with a lot of their "clients progress." I think it's easy for them to develop a personal agenda in the process to a point of being biased and unhealthy. I think you need to smack your friend in the noggin and tell her to take your opinion more serious. There is a probodybuilder on here named sassy69. You could pm her. She is also on TID which has a much bigger female member base and article section bro.

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    25mg is too high for a female first time user....she does appear that she would benefit from some added muscle...but 25mg of var isnt the immediate answer..

    Then there is risk and reward consequences of any female using steroids..



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    Guys and ladies thanks so much for you alls input. I'm gonna try and get her to join this forum and maybe learn a thing or too or three lol. And guys thanks for being respectful when I posted the pics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airbornejonny18b View Post
    Guys and ladies thanks so much for you alls input. I'm gonna try and get her to join this forum and maybe learn a thing or too or three lol. And guys thanks for being respectful when I posted the pics.
    That's a really good idea! There are some super female trainers here, you' ll meet them...



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    Quote Originally Posted by IronAddict View Post
    That's a really good idea! There are some super female trainers here, you' ll meet them...
    I hope so man. She's a real cool chick and could learn a shit ton on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airbornejonny18b View Post
    I hope so man. She's a real cool chick and could learn a shit ton on here.
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    This place is golden, jon, really knowledgeable people here. And this place needs all the cool chicks it can get!



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    Quote Originally Posted by IronAddict View Post
    This place is golden, jon, really knowledgeable people here. And this place needs all the cool chicks it can get!
    amen to that. I just got off the phone with her....shes headed to meet with her trainer. shes running 20mg of var, not 25. but still, i told her what all you guys said and shes caught in a rock and a hard place. two different groups of people telling her advice. ughhhhhhhh
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    She's in a tough spot. Wants to believe in her trainer and she wants to please you. Ultimately, she's got to make the choice on her own. Ideally, it's an informed decision. You can support her in being smart. Researching herself. Ask her trainer his reasoning for dosage. Ask about his experience w it. Tell him her concerns. Sigh...ugh. Sorry you're in this spot, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bar_belle View Post
    She's in a tough spot. Wants to believe in her trainer and she wants to please you. Ultimately, she's got to make the choice on her own. Ideally, it's an informed decision. You can support her in being smart. Researching herself. Ask her trainer his reasoning for dosage. Ask about his experience w it. Tell him her concerns. Sigh...ugh. Sorry you're in this spot, too.
    ive yet to meet this coach/trainer. apparently his wife competes and he has a bunch of ladies running var and my girl sees them and is like, ok, i could do that without looking different. shes tiny to begin with. used to be overweight like crazy, and she did all the hardwork her self without AAS just a healthy diet, and diehard training. i admire her as much as i like her.
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    Is she taking taurine, potassium and magnesium? 25 is not a high dose but it's up there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Is she taking taurine, potassium and magnesium? 25 is not a high dose but it's up there.
    For context, I'm assuming this is to supplement w/ the clen?

    There is a section in the women & drugs stickie that goes into that for clen. Please see: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/th...omen-and-Drugs


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    Quote Originally Posted by sassy69 View Post
    For context, I'm assuming this is to supplement w/ the clen?

    There is a section in the women & drugs stickie that goes into that for clen. Please see: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/th...omen-and-Drugs
    That and the var. Keeping electrolytes in balance is key to success and less sides.
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    i can see the 25mg var being a bit much for a first timer...the clen part i don't find as odd or uncommon for a first time competitor...also seeing a coach once a week who doesn't train her live is pretty normal and actually once a week is more then the norm in most cases..



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    Quote Originally Posted by s2h View Post
    i can see the 25mg var being a bit much for a first timer...the clen part i don't find as odd or uncommon for a first time competitor...also seeing a coach once a week who doesn't train her live is pretty normal and actually once a week is more then the norm in most cases..
    I agree it's at least at the top of the ballpark that I would suggest. From previous postings, it was corrected to 20 from 25. General opinion is that 25 mg /day starts to get into the range of "if you want to go that high, then why not look at a different compound". It starts to leak into the range where sides become more aggressive, and I'd venture that additionally internal sides become more aggressive as well - meaning - this is why you don't see guys running long cycles of orals because at the doses guys find them to be useful (50-100mg/day), they become more liver-toxic. Women typically run them at less than half of that so the impact is less and can be a longer running cycle. But when you start pushing into that range, it can become a factor. Also from a financial standpoint, if you're ok w/ dealing w/ more aggressive sides from higher dose var, then why not suck it up and go to an injectable - it becomes much cheaper.

    At the end of the day, the biggest message I would want all women to take away from a discussion like this is that they should absolutely be able to ask their coach or whoever is recommending they self-medicate w/ controlled substances the reasoning behind their recommendation. If they can't or won't then I'd be suspicious of said coach. If they have no reasoning behind the recommendation they for all you know, they are parroting what they read on some forum or they are pulling it out of their ass. The most important thing is that the competitor feel empowered to ask questions and expect reasonable and accountable answers such that SHE can make a reasonable decision about what she puts in her body. If you experience bad sides and don't even know why, for all you know, this coach may just go "I dunno. Sucks to be you I guess." and go on his merry way. Whose fault was that? No one held a gun to your head to do what he said.

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    she went off grid awhile back. i believe she got rotated out. havnt spoken since begin of july
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