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girl im friends with, (possibly more down the road) just started 25mg of var for her show. I personally dont think she even needed it, but her coach insisted. this girl means alot to me, and shes already experiencing side effects. isnt 25mg a high dose for a chick? thought it was like 10mg? shes doing figure, and without any supps besides her pre workout and her hardcore diet, shes dialed in. shes already lookin like she could take 1 week and be good to go on stage. just frustrating i guess.... thoughts?
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Yeah, 10mg safely. Hell yeah man, a couple that trains together stays together.
i dont want her to lose that nice feminine face look lol. she already has the determination IMO to do it without the help of supps...esp since its her first show and from what shes said, the competition isnt that bad.
and i tried giving u a rep but it said i had to wait.
Too be honest, sounds like he's relying on the var to make himself look good. But I don't know the guy, that's where you step in.
Check ok KOS log on his lady she is running 10mg daily. My lady will run 10mg for 60 days starting in sept.
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That's fantastic she's going to compete! Yeah, 25 mg is a little high. As Sassy69 says, it's always good start low and go slow when adding supplements. Can always up dosage or increase frequency later once you are familiar with effects. Hard to take away once you're down the road.
Trainers are....emotionally involved with a lot of their "clients progress." I think it's easy for them to develop a personal agenda in the process to a point of being biased and unhealthy. I think you need to smack your friend in the noggin and tell her to take your opinion more serious. There is a probodybuilder on here named sassy69. You could pm her. She is also on TID which has a much bigger female member base and article section bro.
Guys and ladies thanks so much for you alls input. I'm gonna try and get her to join this forum and maybe learn a thing or too or three lol. And guys thanks for being respectful when I posted the pics.
She's in a tough spot. Wants to believe in her trainer and she wants to please you. Ultimately, she's got to make the choice on her own. Ideally, it's an informed decision. You can support her in being smart. Researching herself. Ask her trainer his reasoning for dosage. Ask about his experience w it. Tell him her concerns. Sigh...ugh. Sorry you're in this spot, too.
Here's what I would do:
1) Ask him WHY 20 mg vs some other amount? (If he doesn't answer, then tell him he should be able to speak to why he says stuff like that.) Also this is not intended to be an accusatory discussion w/ this coach - the point also is that you should be able to ask your coach to explain himself when he recommends some sort of controlled substance. It aint' rocket science and plenty of people use the stuff, but it is still a scheduled drug (i.e. illegal w/o a script) and she is still the one who has to deal w/ the impact to her body.
2) Personally I consider var to be fairly consistent so I'd not be all that worried about it. HOWEVER, I would still say drop the dose down for another week or two and see how things go. You can always increase, but I don't like the higher dose right out of the gate.
Certainly don't want to put extra pressure on her if she's going into her first competition, but I would certainly encourage her to do more research (not just ask you and you ask people on a muscle forum) so that SHE has some idea of what to expect and things to watch for. The stickie called "Women & Drugs" on this forum (or in the Anabolic forum) covers most everything I've come across or have seen asked over the years so I would consider that a decent place to start. This all about HER comfort and not the coach's.
Is she taking taurine, potassium and magnesium? 25 is not a high dose but it's up there.
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