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    Hrt clinics review thread:

    Hey guys and gals in light of recent "FDA CHANGES" or as we have been told at a current clinic i wanted to start this thread up to get REAL! Personal reviews on the clinics that people use, or have used. Im hoping this thread will help keep people up to date on changes wether good and or most likely bad.... And to help people make an informed decision IF they have to choose a clinic especially if doctors wont work with them....

    Feel free to flame on.... Or talk nicely.... I know this thread can serve a purpose and might even get back to certain clinics.... In hopes that they might understand how their changes effect their loyal (usually loyal to a fault) patients....

    So please post up what clinic u use,

    How they have changed, both good and bad,

    And any other pertinent info u feel may help people....


    Mods if this is over stepping any rules, or bounds please feel free to let us know....please keep it civil....


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    I will start:

    Started with maximus, chip and mike were awesome, had their patients in mind and were awesome, mike decided to move over with new era, and it was great at first, the first thing i did not like was there was no price listing which throws a wrench in anyones plans as u dont know what can be purchased nor do u know prices, almost like it is some huge secret which it isnt, with every change comes adaptation as well as compliance... Well new era has had their changes and bumps to deal with, but along the way they lost something: the idea that patients come first.... Not money, but hey thats a business, they have to grow, and make more money we get that, but does that also mean patients loyalty means squat? I guess so.... There are a lot of guys ive met not only on this forum but on others, some that i personally helped get started, that are pretty pissed and upset, and i completely understand!! We as a collective need to research and find out if in fact the fda has made them switch to 4ml vials as they have claimed or if its a marketing ploy to gain more revenue? I understand if a company wants to make more money, but shorting a guy his prescription meds and then charging the same amount of money or more doesnt sit well with me AT ALL!!! Im looking at different options and at different places.... If i cant get my next doctor to prescribe the whole gamut, then ill just get scripted test from my doc and obtain hcg and ai thru different means.... And leave the whole clinic way behind me....

    Let me hear ur stories and issues.... If we come together as a collective we might be able to change something, if all esle we will change their revenue because they will loose a large part of their clientele..... Only time will tell, if u hit someone where it hurts the most besides their chin, and they have nothing left in that bilfold, then hopefully they will wake up and return to the old ways where patients are their concern not the almighty buck..... One can hope at least


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    Quote Originally Posted by j2048b View Post
    I will start:

    Started with maximus, chip and mike were awesome, had their patients in mind and were awesome, mike decided to move over with new era, and it was great at first, the first thing i did not like was there was no price listing which throws a wrench in anyones plans as u dont know what can be purchased nor do u know prices, almost like it is some huge secret which it isnt, with every change comes adaptation as well as compliance... Well new era has had their changes and bumps to deal with, but along the way they lost something: the idea that patients come first.... Not money, but hey thats a business, they have to grow, and make more money we get that, but does that also mean patients loyalty means squat? I guess so.... There are a lot of guys ive met not only on this forum but on others, some that i personally helped get started, that are pretty pissed and upset, and i completely understand!! We as a collective need to research and find out if in fact the fda has made them switch to 4ml vials as they have claimed or if its a marketing ploy to gain more revenue? I understand if a company wants to make more money, but shorting a guy his prescription meds and then charging the same amount of money or more doesnt sit well with me AT ALL!!! Im looking at different options and at different places.... If i cant get my next doctor to prescribe the whole gamut, then ill just get scripted test from my doc and obtain hcg and ai thru different means.... And leave the whole clinic way behind me....

    Let me hear ur stories and issues.... If we come together as a collective we might be able to change something, if all esle we will change their revenue because they will loose a large part of their clientele..... Only time will tell, if u hit someone where it hurts the most besides their chin, and they have nothing left in that bilfold, then hopefully they will wake up and return to the old ways where patients are their concern not the almighty buck..... One can hope at least


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    I agree with everything you have written, very good overview on what happen to maximus. One thing I can add is that I know people that work in FDA and asked this question and they have not heard anything about this, so I do believe this to be true. Also, other HRT places give out 10ml bottles so if it was an FDA regulation it would apply to everyone, including local Drs.
    I used Maximus for years and watched it go to crap, I was a big supporter and feel almost betrayed since I was a loyal customer.


    Anyway, love to hear what other great HRT place are out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zdudezdud View Post
    I agree with everything you have written, very good overview on what happen to maximus. One thing I can add is that I know people that work in FDA and asked this question and they have not heard anything about this, so I do believe this to be true. Also, other HRT places give out 10ml bottles so if it was an FDA regulation it would apply to everyone, including local Drs.
    I used Maximus for years and watched it go to crap, I was a big supporter and feel almost betrayed since I was a loyal customer.


    Anyway, love to hear what other great HRT place are out there.
    I misspoke, it was the doctors and pharmacies making that determination

    What other clinics have u talked to about the vials and costs?


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    kings something I don't remember long time ago they were expensive and tried to push, so then I went with maximus been with them for years. So I have not checked any others out right now. I have to start looking

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    Quote Originally Posted by zdudezdud View Post
    kings something I don't remember long time ago they were expensive and tried to push, so then I went with maximus been with them for years. So I have not checked any others out right now. I have to start looking
    I use to shop around a lot! I know renewman is one but have heard mixed reviews and there is a new one comming out called TITANIUM88 that i got an email about a while back, um defy medical is another one, spectrum, and a slue of others!


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    In for feedback on this as well.


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    yes I heard of defy medical, guy told me prices where good also so yes I have to look into them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zdudezdud View Post
    yes I heard of defy medical, guy told me prices where good also so yes I have to look into them.
    Cool post up what ur findings are!


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    Defy is who I used. Doc said I was young enough (35) to to a restart before diving in to TRT so I agreed. First test, my total T was 286. They had me taper off clomid from 50mg/day to 50mg/eod, to 50mg M-F, to 50mg EOD. Seemed like a money grab to me, I have never heard of such a protocol. Started me off on .25mg/week adex. When I had itchy nipples they went to .5mg/week and eventually 1mg/week. When I had a lump and both nipples itching and they still weren't doing anything, I quit clomid, got some RC adex, and did about 1mg/day until my lump and itchiness went away. My test shot up to 11XX but my E2 was in the 60's. I quit the clomid around March I believe. As of July my total T was back down to 503. My thread is listed below, I would not recommend them based on my experience.

    http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/th...work-came-back

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    Quote Originally Posted by 46and2 View Post
    Defy is who I used. Doc said I was young enough (35) to to a restart before diving in to TRT so I agreed. First test, my total T was 286. They had me taper off clomid from 50mg/day to 50mg/eod, to 50mg M-F, to 50mg EOD. Seemed like a money grab to me, I have never heard of such a protocol. Started me off on .25mg/week adex. When I had itchy nipples they went to .5mg/week and eventually 1mg/week. When I had a lump and both nipples itching and they still weren't doing anything, I quit clomid, got some RC adex, and did about 1mg/day until my lump and itchiness went away. My test shot up to 11XX but my E2 was in the 60's. I quit the clomid around March I believe. As of July my total T was back down to 503. My thread is listed below, I would not recommend them based on my experience.

    http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/th...work-came-back
    Thanks man, how expensive where they? Ive heard horror stories from a few different people from defy to renewman all the way to new era, and many others....


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    Quote Originally Posted by 46and2 View Post
    Defy is who I used. Doc said I was young enough (35) to to a restart before diving in to TRT so I agreed. First test, my total T was 286. They had me taper off clomid from 50mg/day to 50mg/eod, to 50mg M-F, to 50mg EOD. Seemed like a money grab to me, I have never heard of such a protocol. Started me off on .25mg/week adex. When I had itchy nipples they went to .5mg/week and eventually 1mg/week. When I had a lump and both nipples itching and they still weren't doing anything, I quit clomid, got some RC adex, and did about 1mg/day until my lump and itchiness went away. My test shot up to 11XX but my E2 was in the 60's. I quit the clomid around March I believe. As of July my total T was back down to 503. My thread is listed below, I would not recommend them based on my experience.

    http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/th...work-came-back
    wow thanks for the update on that, really does help everyone with the reviews. Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by zdudezdud View Post
    wow thanks for the update on that, really does help everyone with the reviews. Thank you
    No problem man. I find that all the "it's a secret, PM me" bullshit has really hampered mine and others efforts to find a good doc. I wish the doctors and government could get their shit together so people can have treatment options available, covered by insurance, with as much information as possible instead of the sorry state of affairs that it is today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 46and2 View Post
    No problem man. I find that all the "it's a secret, PM me" bullshit has really hampered mine and others efforts to find a good doc. I wish the doctors and government could get their shit together so people can have treatment options available, covered by insurance, with as much information as possible instead of the sorry state of affairs that it is today.
    Yeah man we all wish this, but in all honesty the government doesnt want us to be well, they instead want to regulate even how healthy people are, there are a few routes one can go to try and obtain a doc, but most doctors are not that good and the ones that are rub clinics in order to cash in on this, it sucks, most are crooks, and dont honestly know much about the trt anyways, i have a few doc options i might give a go, as most clinics are now just in it for the cash flow as well, hell a 10ml vial of watson should t cost over $50 and with a good rx coupon u can get it for around $40 which is t bad but y would someone do that when their insurance rate is right around $10-$20? Crooks, thats what most r

    And yeah im glad i started this thread!


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    Quote Originally Posted by j2048b View Post
    Yeah man we all wish this, but in all honesty the government doesnt want us to be well, they instead want to regulate even how healthy people are, there are a few routes one can go to try and obtain a doc, but most doctors are not that good and the ones that are rub clinics in order to cash in on this, it sucks, most are crooks, and dont honestly know much about the trt anyways, i have a few doc options i might give a go, as most clinics are now just in it for the cash flow as well, hell a 10ml vial of watson should t cost over $50 and with a good rx coupon u can get it for around $40 which is t bad but y would someone do that when their insurance rate is right around $10-$20? Crooks, thats what most r

    And yeah im glad i started this thread!


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    agree with this

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    Clomid was something like $3.70 each. Adex was cheap. Never got quoted for test or hcg.

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    Better off to do it yourself almost till you find the right local doctor. Get your HCG and adex if needed from indian pharmacy, i never had problems with stuff from india YET

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    Quote Originally Posted by zdudezdud View Post
    Better off to do it yourself almost till you find the right local doctor. Get your HCG and adex if needed from indian pharmacy, i never had problems with stuff from india YET
    U got qn india pharm u can pm me about? Or is it adc?


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    here is the pharmacy I use http://www.reliablerxpharmacy.com/
    never a problem with quality for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zdudezdud View Post
    here is the pharmacy I use http://www.reliablerxpharmacy.com/
    never a problem with quality for me.
    Much appreciate the referral. Looking at this place on line but have not taken the leap to actually order. I ended up using a domestic shop (http://www.pctshop.com) for some HCG. Got it in three days but paid three times as much. Good to have options I guess.

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    Can you guys post some pieces?



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    Quote Originally Posted by OTG85 View Post
    Can you guys post some pieces?
    Pieces of what? I think u meant prices perhaps?


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    Quote Originally Posted by j2048b View Post
    Pieces of what? I think u meant prices perhaps?
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    Jeebus, that's a top notch translation. Can I send you some shit my ex said - for translation?
    Everything I type is intended as humor, entertainment, or research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flood View Post
    Jeebus, that's a top notch translation. Can I send you some shit my ex said - for translation?
    What r u even talking about? A guy posted askin for pieces, i believe he meant PRICES...? Maybe i am wrong?


    Read post 21....

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    Re: prices, sources...

    I know it isn't the purpose of this thread, but is perhaps just as important for those of us on our own.

    I have only a few orders that I can comment on, one from this guy:

    http://www.pctshop.com/5000iu-VIAL-HCG-ZyHCG_p_12.html

    It is domestic & I had my order in 3 days. It costs more than the India pharma guys, who I will likely try soon, as the HCG seems to be working as advertised:

    http://www.reliablerxpharmacy.com/hcg.html

    Mixing vials: http://www.mountainside-medical.com/...q=mixing+vials

    For an AI, I tried a liquid RC when there was a BOGO free:

    (http://www.purchasepeptides.com/buy-...per-ml-x-30ml/)

    ...jury is still out.

    Sorry for the de-rail... :-/


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    I am with Defy and have no issues with them. However the cost for their test c is more than my local Dr, but they prescribe me double what my local Dr did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Grizzly View Post
    I am with Defy and have no issues with them. However the cost for their test c is more than my local Dr, but they prescribe me double what my local Dr did.
    200 versus 100 mg per week? What does that put your levels at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 46and2 View Post
    200 versus 100 mg per week? What does that put your levels at?
    Prescribed 1cc per week
    Was taking .75cc per week with hcg as well and got a score over 1300.
    I dropped down to .5cc per week and got a score of 950 just before blood work.

    I am still prescribed 1cc per week but was told to take .9 so I bank the rest and do a mini blast here and there.

    Quote Originally Posted by zdudezdud View Post
    Anymore info on Defy? have to do blood work through them?
    Yes you need to do blood work, but I assume you could do it on your own as long as you get all the panels they require.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lost Grizzly View Post
    Prescribed 1cc per week
    Was taking .75cc per week with hcg as well and got a score over 1300.
    I dropped down to .5cc per week and got a score of 950 just before blood work.

    I am still prescribed 1cc per week but was told to take .9 so I bank the rest and do a mini blast here and there.



    Yes you need to do blood work, but I assume you could do it on your own as long as you get all the panels they require.
    Is the Testosterone compounded, generic, or brand name?

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    Hell yea, I'd love to hear some reviews on other clinics and obviously PRICES! I'm with new era as we'll and not only do I hate the 4ml vials but hate that I can only get 20ml at a time so I get swindled for dr fees and shipping more than I should.

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