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    Originally posted by Prince
    ummm...I have to kindly disagree with that.
    No way man, tell me how many pounds Cutler has added competition wise in the last 5 years or so

    If they were adding 20-30 pounds every 4 months like "newbie" users, then they would be much larger than they are now.

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    I thought you were implying that if they stopped using drugs they could maintain their current weight/size, and still gain more.

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    Woah, no way. I may be slow but I'm not that slow! It will make permanent and everlasting changes but not on anywhere near that level.

    They are on year round and definitely using what might be termed "maximal doseages" so they are basically in maintenance mode eventually.

    Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1999 Nov;31(11):1528-34.

    Effects of anabolic steroids on the muscle cells of strength-trained athletes.

    Kadi F, Eriksson A, Holmner S, Thornell LE.

    Department of Integrative Medical Biology, Umea University, Sweden. Fawzi.Kadi@anatomy.umu.se

    PURPOSE: Athletes who use anabolic steroids get larger and stronger muscles. How this is reflected at the level of the muscle fibers has not yet been established and was the topic of this investigation. METHODS: Muscle biopsies were obtained from the trapezius muscles of high-level power lifters who have reported the use of anabolic steroids in high doses for several years and from high-level power lifters who have never used these drugs. Enzyme-immunohistochemical investigation was performed to assess muscle fiber types, fiber area, myonuclear number, frequency of satellite cells, and fibers expressing developmental protein isoforms. RESULTS: The overall muscle fiber composition was the same in both groups. The mean area for each fiber type in the reported steroid users was larger than that in the nonsteroid users (P < 0.05). The number of myonuclei and the proportion of central nuclei were also significantly higher in the reported steroid users (P < 0.05). Likewise, the frequency of fibers expressing developmental protein isoforms was significantly higher in the reported steroid users group (P < 0.05). CONCLUSION: Intake of anabolic steroids and strength-training induce an increase in muscle size by both hypertrophy and the formation of new muscle fibers. We propose that activation of satellite cells is a key process and is enhanced by the steroid use. The incorporation of the satellite cells into preexisting fibers to maintain a constant nuclear to cytoplasmic ratio seems to be a fundamental mechanism for muscle fiber growth. Although all the subjects in this study have the same level of performance, the possibility of genetic differences between the two groups cannot be completely excluded.

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    okay, I misunderstood your post then.

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    I thought Arnold got that big from Joe Wieder's "Victory Mass"!

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    Originally posted by Prince
    yeah, once in awhile I think they have to nab someone for political reasons.

    Poor Shawn, he must have pissed Joe off that year.

    So basically all the drug testing in sports is all one big joke??? And every once in a while they just have to bust someone just to make it seem like they are trying to get rid of the drugs???

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    Originally posted by metallicat61003
    So basically all the drug testing in sports is all one big joke??? And every once in a while they just have to bust someone just to make it seem like they are trying to get rid of the drugs???
    Thats probably somewhat accurate, it almost seems random. However Shawn Ray has been a little "outspoken" so I am not supprised really that he got caught once. The way I hear it is even at tested competitions nothing is done with the urine samples, they sit in plain access to anyone in the area and they are pretty much ignored and there is no real security (BB competitions).

    I think we forgot to add that the big pro wrestlers dont do steroids either

    When it comes to the Olympics I believe the testing is much more geniune, so there are various techniques used to pass drug tests including possibly inserting someone elses urine as well as using very short acting drugs, all kinds of techniques to beat tests.

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    depending on the test epitest is sometimes administered to keep the allowed ratio. I believe its 6 to 1
    Ok a few things kinda piss me off in this thread
    Yeah us Kids who come on the board bent on using steroids. it doesnt matter that if u realy wanna get anywhere in this sport u gotta start at 17-18 if u wanna ever be a serious competitor. I mean if u are happy coming in 1st in local shows and being a big fish in a little pond thats fine. But when u start eyeing those npc shows u better be prepaired to either step it up a few notches or get your pride handed to u on a platter.

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    Originally posted by metallicat61003
    So basically all the drug testing in sports is all one big joke??? And every once in a while they just have to bust someone just to make it seem like they are trying to get rid of the drugs???
    Pretty much my friend..hard for you to swallow, huh? Sometimes reality and truth are a bit harsh.

    The other side of it is even if they're truley testing (e.g. the Olympics) the athletes and coaches know how to get around the tests.

    As mudge said, Shawn Ray has been known to rock the boat, so most likely that is why they busted him.

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    A trained with a former 1st Round Draft Choice in the NFL and he said that his team gave them gear and that we the NFL was told the team who was to be tested. Most of the time they would have "pissers" for them. This guy was huge. He never had a clue what they gave him.

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    I found it funny that the massive weight gain attributed to one footballer over a couple seasons, was the fact that he now trained his glutes heavier

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    Those test crack me up when they are testing pro bbers. They hardly ever seem to test positive for AS, but always seem to find something like clen or lasix. That is some funny crap man.lol

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    Look at David Boston w/ the San Diego Chargers. The guy is a freak.

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    Just for your guys info...

    I just finished reading the unauthorized autobiography of Arnold, where it got people opinions who were important in his life.

    His trainers back in Austria (kurt marnul and others) said they introduced Arnold to dbol, and that everyday they used to be "shocked when arnold would stuff a handful of dbols and protien tablets into his mouth, wash them down with a glass of milk, and while barely being able to talk, would say "ok, now i'm ready".

    Plus Arnold used to take primobolan on the reg...but those are just 2 steroids i know of.

    Anyways, he admitted to taking them on CBS to Barbara Walters (or some big shot)...

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    Originally posted by Pumping Iron
    Anyways, he admitted to taking them on CBS to Barbara Walters (or some big shot)...
    Good call, I forgot about that interview.

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