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    Schwarzenegger on steroids?????

    All of the articles that I have read about Arnold Schwarzenegger he says that he is totally against the use of steroids and that he never used them,,but some people I have talked to always say that there is no way to get that big without using steroids and that most bodybuilders do use steroids... Do any of you guys think that he used some sort of steroids??? And is it possible to get that huge without the help of steroids??

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    Yeah, Larry Scott did steroids but of course Arnold didn't, I dont know where you read that but I dont believe it. Now according to Larry they did very low dose stuff from what I read, but who knows what the truth is.

    Do I believe its possible to get that big without steroids, probably not for almost any human alive today, me being white and not a one in a 500,000,000 genetically gifted person with a 1400ng natural test level, there is no way on this green and blue earth that I would reach a ripped 235 like Arnold did.

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    Re: Schwarzenegger on steroids?????

    Originally posted by metallicat61003
    All of the articles that I have read about Arnold Schwarzenegger he says that he is totally against the use of steroids and that he never used them,,but some people I have talked to always say that there is no way to get that big without using steroids and that most bodybuilders do use steroids... Do any of you guys think that he used some sort of steroids??? And is it possible to get that huge without the help of steroids??
    are you serious?

    of course Arnold used steroids.

    that is correct, you cannot reach that level of muscular development without drugs, this is really common knowledge in the bodybuilding world.

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    You will notice virtually every "bodybuilding" type message board has a steroid section, it doesn't just get you there faster but it allows you to maintain unhuman levels of muscularity, if of course the person knows what they are doing.

    Now if Arnold was all natural, and a competitor today with 10x+ the natural testosterone level of Arnold + multiple drug compounds, you would think they would be much larger than they already are would you not? Yet Markus Ruhl is "only" about 50 pounds heavier in competition form.

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    Yes, steroids are a reality that many people want to believe does not exist, when in fact they exists in most sports, including NFL football, the Olympics, and many others.

    As far as the drug testing, that is a joke.

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    oh, btw metallicat61003 there are NO IFBB pro bodybuilders that do not use steroids, as well as many other drugs, e.g. GH.

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    Yeah, I think Shawn Ray tested positive once (winstrol), maybe for upsetting someone in the IFBB.

    I would also add steroids or not, hardly anyone has the dicipline in the gym or in the kitchen to look like Arnold did, steroids or no steroids it is not some magical walk in the park that is easy to do, he still trained hard and he still had the mind of a champion.

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    yeah, once in awhile I think they have to nab someone for political reasons.

    Poor Shawn, he must have pissed Joe off that year.

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    Originally posted by Mudge


    I would also add steroids or not, hardly anyone has the dicipline in the gym or in the kitchen to look like Arnold did, steroids or no steroids it is not some magical walk in the park that is easy to do, he still trained hard and he still had the mind of a champion.
    That's the truth!

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    Look on the boards at people who have been using from 5-20 years, hardly a single one of them is really on that level. There are some that are above that (using way more than he did, as well as newer drugs), but this is proof itself that it is no cake walk. Anyone that tells you steroids fix everything for you doesn't know what they are talking about.

    Those on that level are almost unanimously competitors, I can't say I've seen anyone with 20" arms who wasn't fat, that did not compete seriously. These are people who have resigned thier life to the sport, not casual lifters or eaters, it is almost a 24/7 job.

    But if you have the know how to train and eat naturally to manipulate your body in the ways you want, then that would be a person who has a good shot of solid gains with assistance as well. I have seen people who hardly gain anything still hanging onto thier 170 pounds who have done 5 cycles, and they are full of excuses.

    It is a true science and it takes know how, as well as dedication.

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    I was agreeing with you...

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    I agree, steroids alone will not do shit.

    It takes tremendous discipline, years of training, proper diet/nutrition, and probably most importantly genetics. You can take all of the drugs you want, but if you lack in any other area you will not make it.

    Especially genetics, I do not think people realize how big of a factor genetics are for any star athlete. I just laugh when I hear people say "if I took steroids I could be like that". It's a joke, and they're ignorant to think that drugs alone will make you a champion in a sport.

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    Originally posted by PB&J
    I was agreeing with you...
    I noticed, but I prefer to ramble, this topic could go on for ages.

    I could also add that if you look at top competitors they eventually reach a point where they can hold onto what they have and maybe if they are lucky add 5 pounds a year on top of that.

    Most if not all (I would not hesitate to bet on nearly all) heavy and super heavy national level competitors are on drugs YEAR ROUND, so far as I can tell from pictures and etc Arnold was not. This is an example of how eventually someone decides to push things one step further, and if one person does it then the others must follow or be left in the dust, this is true of all competitive things in life, business, athletics etc

    I also agree that no matter the drugs, genetics still play a role not only in asthetics but in how much your going to achieve and hold. The steroids can be a huge helper, but someone with better genetics will gain more from less drugs (if they know what they are doing), and they will have less things to bother with like side effects and aromatase conversion, possibly bad kidney/liver/cholesterol levels and so on.

    So, in summation this topic could go on for AGES

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    Originally posted by Mudge
    I could also add that if you look at top competitors they eventually reach a point where they can hold onto what they have and maybe if they are lucky add 5 pounds a year on top of that.
    ummm...I have to kindly disagree with that.

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    Originally posted by Prince
    I just laugh when I hear people say "if I took steroids I could be like that". It's a joke, and they're ignorant to think that drugs alone will make you a champion in a sport.
    Yeah, but how many young kids do you see come on here, hell bent to take PH's or steriods because they think it is a quick fix? You can't convince them otherwise. I try though!

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