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    Arnold Schwarzenegger vs Dorian Yates

    Two Champions of a kind! Completely opposite training styles and attitudes. Both have come out with their books "Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding" and "Blood & Guts". Various masters and gurus have reviewed their writings and astonishingly gave Dorian's book while Arnold's Book was quite misleading .
    Main question is you won't get to see any better champions than either of these two. Then whose training methodology should one go after if he has serious intentions in bodybuilding.
    Arnold say "NO to STEROIDS" while Dorian accepted the fact that he used them and so did every Pro that's competing today.

    MILLOIN $ QUESTIONS IS: If you were a coach and had your own gym, which idol would you prefer and implement it's principles on your Gym members and wannabe champions who come to your gym with serious aspirations in their minds?
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    As an idol I would definately take Arnold!! On the other hand, I haven't read Dorian Yates book, I have Arnolds and I don't agree with him. I agree with no steroids, but the w/o's he does is overtraining and the exercises he recommends can be dangerous to your joints. Not many people can train like Arnold, he is one of a kind IMO.
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    Yates philosophies are more applicable to the masses.





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    Originally posted by rock4832
    As an idol I would definately take Arnold!! On the other hand, I haven't read Dorian Yates book, I have Arnolds and I don't agree with him. I agree with no steroids, but the w/o's he does is overtraining and the exercises he recommends can be dangerous to your joints. Not many people can train like Arnold, he is one of a kind IMO.
    Actually Rock, there is no such thing as overtraining. there in only underrecuperating. Doing as much as 50 sets for one bodypart is not overtraining. Getting too little sleep, food and overall rest is...

    Any exercises he recommends can be dangerous on your joints, if you don't know the correct form. Show me one exercise that isn't if you don't know the correct way......

    There are a few reasons Arnold doesn't condone or even admit taking steroids, and they are all good ones. First, he had political aspirtations (as you can see now), so coming out in the open saying i've done drugs is not smart (besides, back then they were LEGAL). Plus he has admitted on various talk shows in the past that he has....

    Second, he is such a huge star that he actually WANTS to help kids by saying no to steroids. His whole life he has displayed his love for and care for children, through special olympics and proposition 36 (i think the # is). Arnold realizes that people idolize him, he is one of the most famous people on earth. People, especially kids that can't decide for themselves, take his word and books and everything else of his as "the way to be". So if he were to tell the truth "ya, i've taken steroids since the age of 13, i started with dbol, then primobolan and other drugs", there is no doubt in my mind that steroid use among kids and teens and adults alike would SKYROCKET! That's like Michael Jordan telling kids it's ok to gamble, or Michael Irving saying "ya kids, it was only a little coke". "Flex" magazine doesn't say they take steroids, and that's the #1 selling BB magazine out. They know kids/teens/adults will buy into their B.S. that they don't take steroids (but that is another arguement on another thread).
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    "did Bill Clinton come out of the blue and say yes, i did smoke pot, but don't worry, i didn't inhale". no, he did so when confronted.

    Bottom line is they are both great champions with very different philosphies....personally Arnold is my fav.

    "Arnold is numero uno"
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    As far as training styles, everyone responds differently. Many people respond better to higher volume and can't reach the all out intensity Dorian used for his 1 set to failure style.....but its different for everyone, most fall in somewhere in between.
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    I agree with you, I love Arnold!! However, there is underrecuperating, but I do believe there is also overtraining! And Arnold swears by a lot of exercises that put extra stress on rotator cuffs and lower back, that is more prone to risk w/ the normal population than regular db presses. I have heard and read Arnold say he did steroids in the beginning. In that time, there was no reports of the bad side of steroids, however he does have health problems related to that now.
    I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain...

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    well flex,
    i think u r wrong arnold did take steriods in beginning and in ending either. there is such thing as overtraining.AND U even right that he didnt want the young generation to follow that fuckin rulz. taking anabols becoming monster.

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    As per various experts, Arnold misguided everybody about his training principles. So, BODYBUILDING WISE, you definitely DO NOT want to make Arnold your idol. Yes, as a person, Arnold is gem of a bodybuilder.
    On the other hand, bodybuilding wise, Dorian has it all. His fighing spirit, SHADOW attitude was his trademark. Sure, person wise, he was not very mixable and talkative, but then he was BRITISH!.
    Dorian is more remembered by everybody as BEST BODYBUILDER than a person, while in Arnold's case, in todays world, it's quite opposite.
    After all is said & done, it was not arnold started it all. Credit must go to Steve Reeves and Larry Scott.
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    Originally posted by Flex
    Actually Rock, there is no such thing as overtraining. there in only underrecuperating.
    as I said in that other thread that is just semantics.



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    Originally posted by Flex
    There are a few reasons Arnold doesn't condone or even admit taking steroids, and they are all good ones. First, he had political aspirtations (as you can see now), so coming out in the open saying i've done drugs is not smart (besides, back then they were LEGAL). Plus he has admitted on various talk shows in the past that he has....
    I give much more respect to someone that admits what they have done, lying and denying is not respectable the truth will always come out.

    Example: How Clinton said he smoked pot but did not inhail, give me a break. I would have had much more respect for him had he just said he got high a few times, big deal, at least it would be truthful.



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    Originally posted by Testosterone
    As per various experts, Arnold misguided everybody about his training principles. So, BODYBUILDING WISE, you definitely DO NOT want to make Arnold your idol. Yes, as a person, Arnold is gem of a bodybuilder.
    On the other hand, bodybuilding wise, Dorian has it all. His fighing spirit, SHADOW attitude was his trademark. Sure, person wise, he was not very mixable and talkative, but then he was BRITISH!.
    Dorian is more remembered by everybody as BEST BODYBUILDER than a person, while in Arnold's case, in todays world, it's quite opposite.
    After all is said & done, it was not arnold started it all. Credit must go to Steve Reeves and Larry Scott.

    First of all, Arnold did start it all. Yes Larry Scott and Reeves did come before Arnold, but Vince Gironda, John Grimek and Reg Park came before them. Arnold was the one who made BB from a dark subculture to the booming industry/following it is/has now. They don't call the '70's the "golden years" of BB for nothing. When someone thinks of BB, the first person that most comes to mind is Arnold.

    Prince, i realize its semantics, but i'm only doing it to get my point across. And you can't be serious that you want the truth from everybody. Nobody is perfect. When George Bush jr. decided to run for pres., he didnt come out and say, so and so is my opinion on welfare and foreign aid, and oh ya, by the way, i'm a womanizer, i used to be a crazy party animal and blow coke all the time. Is that how you are? Do you introduce yourself to people by telling them all the imperfections you have, especially if you decided to run for political office...

    Yes, Arnold was a womanizer, he used to bang chicks left and right. He took major steroids since age 13. He smoked pot back in the day (when it wasnt illegal). He drank, he partied, he sexed it up. Nobody is perfect, everyone makes mistakes and has "dark" secrets that they don't want anyone knowing. Show me someone who doesnt and you are a straight liar.

    Again, he's not gonna say i took maj. steroids cuz he doesnt want everyone else to....and believe me, they would if they knew Arnold did, he's the most popular BB ever by far.
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    Originally posted by Ahsan
    well flex,
    i think u r wrong arnold did take steriods in beginning and in ending either. there is such thing as overtraining.AND U even right that he didnt want the young generation to follow that fuckin rulz. taking anabols becoming monster.
    What are you trying to say man, i cant understand you. i said Arnold took steroids from age 13, its a fact. and no, there is not overtraining. I can't understand the rest...
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    Thats' exactly I mean to say. BE honest. If you've done something, Admit it!
    Ronnie Coleman says that He don't use Steroids! Can you believe him?Markus Ruhl says, he dont use Synthol?Can you believe him?

    Not only, you don't believe them but you tend to disrespect such guys, who lie!

    Competitive Bodybuilding is a game of Steroids Today. Everyone has used it! Mind you-Everyone. But Nobody admits it. They keep on saying, they're natural! WTF..
    This thing misguides youngsters. Youngsters have their idols in these people. After working out year after year, naturally, when they don't get PROFESSIONAL LIKE gains...they just give up...thinking that they've failed! They failed to emulate their Superstar! They don't even ponder over the fact that their so called idols failed to speak truth!
    It's damn simple. If these pros openly admit that they use Roids, very few people would like to emulate them as their idols..In that case everybody would be fine working out in some gym making decent gains..if not gains like these Pros who always mislead.

    As far Arnold's popularity, it's because of his exposure in Films, not by the virtue of his physique only!
    Just like Stallone has decent body and more of a Ramboism associated with himself!
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    Niether, as both of these guys used steroids to achieve greatness. I would like to inspire my members with physiques that are more realistic and attainable. That said, my own training resembles Yates far far more than Arnolds. A natural bodybuilder could actually progress on a Yates style program, but not too many naturals would do well with Arnold's workouts.





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