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    Expert advise required [first cycle with caveat]

    Hello folks, it's great to be back here. I've been offline for a while due to injuries, and the hospital wasn't a pleasant atmosphere... No live porn despite the hot nurses. Dang films about them have me all confused now.

    Seriously though, I need to recuperate, and my question regarding the cycle I am planning on taking has a caveat regarding my mental health, and physical wellbeing. A little bit about me first:


    • I am 41
    • 6'0" tall
    • 200lbs (roughly, maybe a bit more but I won't say)
    • currently at 23% bf (i know it's high, that's part of my problem as well)
    • Used to train well, on a regular basis, even had a professional trainer for a year or more. I got lean (10% bf back then), and felt good. I know how to exercise safely.
    • Never taken SARMS, Roids, Prohormones, etc. Just some whey and creatine long time ago.
    • My diet has always been lousy, I have a sweet tooth, esp. for women. lol seriously, I do.
    • I've spent a lot of time reading these boards (including stickies)
    • I have a great urge to try Trenbolone (you know the recent saying "eat clen, tren hard"), but I will avoid it for now as per the majority of the advise given here.
    • Was a forest firefighter for a couple of seasons. Loved the work, felt great, fantastic shape (not massive, just lean and strong) until I had an accident driving home to my mom from B.C. It was urgent so I had to leave B.C, nonetheless I am still here half way through. Thank goodness for my younger siblings, mom is ok now.


    So, I am feeling a bit weak now a days. The meds they gave me affected my libido, serotonin/dopamine, metabolism, etc. Recently the doctor gave me some modafinil after discussing my problems with him, but he's not a sports guy, so that's the only thing he was willing to prescribe to help my mood swings, and alertness. It worked. I am now starting to go to the gym, barely though, and feeling motivated again to get into the swing of life.

    My concern is choosing between the following options:


    1. Should I train normally, take years to reach a plateau, and then consider a cycle to gain size in my upper body (my legs are awesome, but had scrawny arms all my life, even with a trainer).
    2. Use Tren and go big, like captain fap.
    3. Do it normally like you suggest (Test-E/pct), but not wait as in option 1. I will mention the cycles I am looking to do bellow.


    ** The caveat is: If I do option 2, I am taking huge risks. However, option 3 is more risky for me as I feel a sense of safety with it despite what it might entail. Meaning, how will it affect me if I start my training and taking a Test-E cycle, with PCT afterwards (20 weeks max prior to PCT as in the article cited in the sticky about first cycles on the forum here)? Will I reach a similar plateau eventually, or would it have been better had I waited a few years until I reached it naturally, and then boosted past it? I know the cycle would automatically peak my performance at the gym, and so that may be irrelevant, but ultimately I am curious to know if I would reach higher peaks in training if I waited (considering my age as well and problem). If I don't wait, and start a cycle immediately, will I still be able to reach my genetic limit at the end? Does that make sense to you?

    Ok, so here's the cycle I was considering (option 3):


    1. No cycle boosters, no clen either.
    2. Test-E, 20 weeks (500mg weekly). Arimadex on hand for during cycle (not PCT) in case of gyno.
    3. Possibility of oral Winstrol/Stanozolol (50mg EOD or daily if required, for the SHBG binding affinity). I imagine EOD should be ok since I am already pinning Test-E.
    4. Possibility of Anavar/Oxandrolone (last portion of cycle, 4 weeks or more, 40mg daily).
    5. PCT: HCG and nolvadex (not certain on dosage/daily, 4weeks?).
    6. Looking at 23G 1" needles for Test-E and HCG injections, or should I be getting 25G ones?
    7. Notice: was looking at using SDrol alongside my cycle, if I try this a second or third time around. Not the first time.


    Future Cycle, if I am not dead or distracted by heavy nurses:


    1. Tren ace (not certain on dosage or timing). No Test base (I know).
    2. Dbol (not certain on dosage or timing). Cause I am not doing a Test base.
    3. Clenbuterol (daily 40mcg or something)
    4. Possibility: Anavar (cause it's good with Tren from what I read here)
    5. Possibility: Winstrol (oral 50mg daily)
    6. PCT: HCG, Nolva, maybe Caber?
    7. Notice: I read HGH might be good for naturally producing Test while on Tren, but not certain if wise. Probably would avoid it regardless.





    Any constructive criticism, advise given, or encouragement appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from others. Peace.

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    Hey gents,

    So just a quick update and some details about my planned cycle the post above me. I did a little more digging, and figured the following is my best option, but would like a review by someone who's an expert at this. Please, and thank you kindly.

    Timing
    Steroid cycle duration total of 12 weeks
    Post cycle therapy (pct) duration total of 8 weeks
    Entire treatment duration: 20 weeks

    Steroid Cycle (12 weeks):
    - Testosterone-E [flat dosage 500mg weekly on Saturdays]
    - HCG (500iu twice weekly if required)
    - Creatine (bluestar crea-tech, 600mg half-dose pre-workout/morning)
    - Hydrolized whey protein (50g post workout daily, despite resting days)
    - Multivitamins (EOD)

    PCT (8 weeks):
    - HCG (500iu twice weekly) [initial 2 to 4 weeks]
    - Nolva (dosage unknown) [final portion 4 to 6 weeks]
    - Hepastrong liver protection (2tabs daily, during entire pct)
    - Creatine (Bluestar crea-tech, 1200mg full dose pre-workout/morning)
    - Vitamine C (1 tab daily)

    Ancillary:
    Using 25gauge 1" needles, 1 per week. Makes sense?

    Additional mention:
    Will have the following available in case of gyno:
    - Letrozol (only if needed during pct)
    - Arimadex (only if needed during cycle and pct)
    - Would like to use Winstrol and/or Anavar during cycle, but not certain if wise for first time (but I really want to). What do you think?




    Any help would be greatly appreciated fellas. Thank you again.

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    Do two test injections of 250mg a week, not one 500.
    Use clomid and nolva for pct 50mg/20mg
    Anavar is fine. 6 weeks at around 50mg ed
    I would run some arimidex during cycle. .5mg every 4 or 5 days is conservative estimate. There's no way to know exactly how much Arimidex you need without blood work mid cycle.
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    @REHH Thank you for the help. Just a quick question however, you mean no HCG then? I'll try to be proactive about my bloodwork so I can use arimidex accordingly. Thanks again.

    Would you recommend I use Test-A or a different form of testosterone? Do spot injections work with Test-A as opposed to Test-E? (I have slinky arms lol). Sorry for the dumb questions.

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    I agree with REHH on splitting the test into twice weekly and a low dose anti e just to be safe. I’d suggest hcg @500iu M,W,F.

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    I agree with REHH on splitting the dose up twice per week. Just keep it at 500 TestE weekly. A low dose anti e just to be safe and 500iu hcg MWF from the start. Don’t over think it.

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    Thanks for the advise fellas. I'll make sure to split my dosages to ensure stable levels.

    @jct134, I know you mentioned not to over think it, but it's my body so I have to be a little worried about these powerful hormones.

    I watched this video today, think I might consider starting with 250mg Test-E only to see my body's response to it. I don't want to end up with a vagina.


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    No you'll still need HCG, especially for PCT. You can run it Through the entire cycle Until you start the Nova and Clomid. Or just Run it the last two weeks of the cycle. And for two weeks before starting Nova and Clomid

    So cycle is 1-12 weeks
    Week 11 hcg 500iu x2 a week
    Week 12 hcg
    Week 13 hcg
    Week 14 hcg
    Week 15 Nolva and clomid 20/50 ED
    Week 16 same as above
    Week 17 same
    Week 18 same

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    Quote Originally Posted by alanio View Post
    Thanks for the advise fellas. I'll make sure to split my dosages to ensure stable levels.

    @jct134, I know you mentioned not to over think it, but it's my body so I have to be a little worried about these powerful hormones.

    I watched this video today, think I might consider starting with 250mg Test-E only to see my body's response to it. I don't want to end up with a vagina.


    250 a week is not enough for gains unless you already have low test for a while, stick to 500 a week, standard for first cycle.

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    @REHH thank you, sounds good.

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    500 per week split along with good diet and quality workouts will get it done -Luck ~~ OD

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