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    Lightbulb The truth

    For the most part, I agree

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    Gear Use Truisms

    I was on another board reading the many posts by people that really don't understand some of the basic truisms of AS use and decided to write a few of these ALMOST universal "isms" down.

    1. The more gear you do the more you grow. Sorry I know many of you didn't want to hear that but it's a fact. While going from 500 mgs a week to 1000 may not double your gains it will increase them (assuming training and nutrition are in order) and going from a gram to 2 grams a week will again probably not double your gains but again will increase them.

    2. Something happens when mega-dosing (2+ grams a week) that simply does not occur at lower doses. Magic starts!

    3. For growth heavy androgens are the way to go for 80% of trainees. This means a test base with fina, d-ball, adrol, or EQ. Primo, deca, anavar, winny etc have their uses but NEVER supply the bang for the buck of the heavy hitters and never equate to the growth of the big-boys. If you can't grow on test, tren, and d-ball take up bowling, you ain't gonna grow. Quit searching for exotic roids that you think will somehow catapult you to the next level. The basics are where it's at. The only thing that grows better on the light anabolics is your suppliers wallet!

    4. Shots should NOT hurt, or hurt VERY LITTLE! If the mg per ml ratio is correct for the gear/ester a shot should not be painful and should not cause swelling. ALL common gear (in oil, water based suspensions are a different animal) flows absolutely fine through a 25 gauge pin and if you can give me one reason to use anything else I would be stupefied! It is NOT the amount of oil that causes pain, it is the solvent content. MORE IS NOT BETTER!

    5. MANY, MANY people are simply not bothered by est related sides. I see posts all the time by people that have just always assumed they had to use anti-e's and have never even done a cycle without them. If you are not sure you should certainly have them on hand in case, and they should always be used post-cycle but why use them if they are not needed? I have NEVER used anti-e's during a cycle even when doing 3 grams a week test. I have NEVER had any est related problem. Even when doing synovex with the est left in. Probably 80% of people do need anti-e protection but if you don't need it why are you doing it? All anti-e's reduce the anabolic effects of gear to some degree.

    6. Doing gear does NOT stop overtraining from occurring, it greatly reduces its effects but EVERYONE still has a point (volume/frequency) at which overtraining occurs. THE BIGGEST SINGLE REASON PEOPLE DO NOT GROW IS THEY OVERTRAIN, PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION! I always suggest doing a routine that someone knows they can grow on when not juicing then the gear will amplify the training results. Most people overtrain and don't grow optimally or at all.

    7. After your first couple of cycles each subsequent cycle has diminishing returns. You lose a large percentage of your gains post cycle. Don't tell me you keep all or most of your gains. If it worked that way the average guy starting out at 170 that gained 20 lbs each cycle and kept 15 would only need to do 6 cycles spread out over two years to be a 260 lb FREAK. It don't work that way sorry!

    8. The big boys (competitive Bodybuilders and powerlifters) generally stay on year round. I know many of you didn't want to hear this.....sorry! That is how they avoid the weight yo-yo's and consistently go up.

    9. The toxicity of orals is SEVERELY OVERSTATED. I have never talked to or exchanged information with someone that actually had blood-work done while on that still thought they were toxic. The people that will tell you how poison they are have NEVER been tested while doing them. I have done d-ball for over a year strait at 75+ mgs per day while being tested. No problems. They should still be used cautiously but until you have had blood-work done you have no idea how they will effect you. Nonetheless people recommending only using them for 4 weeks are ****ing clueless!

    10. The longer you stay on, the better chance you have of keeping the gains you make. It takes the body some time to acclimate to the new muscle mass. People that do little mini cycles tend to be yo-yo’s bodyweight wise.

    11. How you come off is VITALLY important to how much of the mass you retain. Have a proper game plan and execute faithfully. I hate watching someone totally decompose because they ****ed up post cycle so bad.

    12. NO ONE CAN TELL YOU HOW MUCH SIZE AND STRENGTH YOU SHOULD/WILL GAIN ON A CYCLE. QUIT ASKING!

    13. NO ONE CAN PREDICT WHAT SIDE EFFECTS YOU WILL INCUR, QUIT ASKING!

    14. NO ONE CAN TELL YOU HOW MUCH YOU WILL LOSE POST-CYCLE, QUIT ASKING.

    15. All these things can only be learned in retrospect AFTER you have tried. Your individual metabolism is unique onto itself. You will never know until you try.

    16. All AS work best in a calorie and macro/micro nutrient overabundance environment. If you are not getting 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight while “on” and training heavy you are ****ing yourself out of gains. Quit bitching your not growing. Step up to the dinner plate or go home.

    17. All this said IF your training routine and diet are correct you don’t need lots of gear for great results. I often get new trainees that gain more training natural with a great routine and diet than they did on their last cycle.

    More to follow.....

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    Thanks for the post!
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    With the first point he brings up, just scale the doses. Dont start your first cycle with 2 grams. After awhile your body adjusts and you can avoid crazy sides, but not if you start out with some freakish doses.

    I would also say that gains seem to be better when on longer, with moderate doses, versus high doses and coming off for long periods. So if being on for stretches of time bothers you, get used to being less than a monster, not that there is anything wrong with that.

    If you are not coming off and doing a hardcore PCT for at least ~6 weeks, IMO you are wasting your time utterly and completely in terms of recouperation hopes.

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    Unless your 250 @ 6% BF, anything over 1 gram of test is a waste. Your better off adding 1 gram worth of other drugs like equipose, deca, or tren.

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