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    whats going on

    Hey guys,

    i've been on a cypinate (QV) and deca(Tokkyo) cycle i'm on my 7the week and my strength has increased but no noticable gains my protien and carbs are over 200g a day can anyone tell me whats the hell is going on.

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    You say, "noticable"............it usually take 6 weeks to make a change.

    What were your stats before and what are they now?
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    The TT Deca is probaly bunk. What are the dosages of each? 200g p and 200 g c is only 1600 cals, though, I hope you are getting quite a bit more than that.

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    Originally posted by BabsieGirl
    You say, "noticable"............it usually take 6 weeks to make a change.
    6 weeks?

    No way...there should be weight and strength gain in 2-3 weeks.






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    Cypionate takes about 5 weeks, but 200g protein is enough for someone about 100 pounds on a bulker. Sounds like you aren't eating nearly enough.

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    Originally posted by Prince
    6 weeks?

    No way...there should be weight and strength gain in 2-3 weeks.


    So with that type of supplement, you should see a change that soon? didn't know that.
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    Originally posted by BabsieGirl
    So with that type of supplement, you should see a change that soon? didn't know that.
    Sorry.
    he is talking about anabolic steroids.

    but, according to Mudge 5 weeks, I disagree, at least with strength and water weight gain.





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    What are your total calories like? I eat 4000-4500 calories daily, protein is about 448g a day, 200g is not enough naturally unless you are pretty small.

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    Originally posted by Prince
    but, according to Mudge 5 weeks, I disagree, at least with strength and water weight gain.
    Cypionate is slow for blood levels to build up. Sustanon has some prop in it and it takes 3 weeks for me to see results, prop takes about a week with daily injections and a 4.5 day active half life versus 12 for cypionate.

    Unless you've run cypionate (I haven't for over a year) that is what you will hear from others as well, that is why the orals are run the first 4-6 weeks.

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    thanks for all your replies my calories i think are pretty high i always feel full and when i train i go heavy 4 to 6 reps my strength increased about 20% but i'm on my 7th week and no noticable gain could it be that i'm holding alot of water and i really can't see the difference

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    If you were holding water a good deal of it should be in your muscles, which you would be measuring with your cloth tape. You always feel full, I dont believe that translates to a number. Some people eat one meal a day and feel full, because that is what their bodies are used to.

    Deca wont work without a true bulking diet, other than some joint 'protection.' As for the test, it likewise works best on a bulking diet, otherwise you'd end up with a cutting cycle on it.

    Sounds like the strength is good, but unless you put on 5 inches on your waist or something I dont think your diet is anywhere near where it should be.

    I say again, 200g protein is enough for a 100 pound person, and I hope you aren't that small. I never dip below 330g, and on my bulk I try to hit my daily 448g. How much do you weigh?

    Diet is where its at, the gear isn't going to do all the work for you.

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    thanks mudge for your reply u might be right about the cals for sure but i forgot to mention i do feel harder and my pumps are ok and to answer your question i'm around 168 pounds another thing so in your opinion the deca isn't doing a thing for me i'm gonna look lika santa claus eating 5000 cals aday

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    I weigh more than you do, I would assume you dont need 5,000 calories to bulk. I would add 1000 calories to whatever you are doing though. I use my waist as my guide somewhat, I dont like going 2" past over what I normally carry, but getting some fat is part of bulking for the most part.

    If you want a better bulker and not getting too fat, keep the food clean, and WRITE IT DOWN. If you treat your diet like a science you can fine tune it, if you eat what and when you feel like it, you will show it.

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    Originally posted by maxima
    thanks for all your replies my calories i think are pretty high i always feel full and when i train i go heavy 4 to 6 reps my strength increased about 20% but i'm on my 7th week and no noticable gain could it be that i'm holding alot of water and i really can't see the difference
    I can feel full off of 1k cals. Fullness means nothing. What makes you more full, a salad or a candy bar? Which packs more calories? If your not tracking your diet down, then dont be suprised when your gains suck.

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    First time I started eating 6 times a day I felt full all the damn time, and seriously I was supprised I could eat so damn much. You get used to it, but like has been said, full means very little - because your stomach adjusts to what you put in it.

    Starvation dieters can feel full on thier diet of lettuce, tissue paper and ice cubes, but they are not getting what they need in thier bodies.

    Write your diet down, or you are killing your gains. I also dont believe 200g protein is enough, not by a longshot.

    I'd go with a dead minimum of 1.5g per pound but that is my opinion, and I am not dieting expert, so take it for what you will.

    I notice that crappy carbs fill me up like a mofo, but if I eat a keto style diet I can eat and eat and eat.

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