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Vieope said:What is more important to strength training? The creation of more fast twich fibers or recruitment of the ones that already exist through adaptation of the CNS?
gopro said:When you say "creation" of fibers are you referring to those fibers that tend to be more intermediate, but through strength training with heavy weights, "morph" into more fast twitch fibers?
Since you cannot really control the above phenomenon you should focus on trying to recruit as many fast twitch fibers as you can that already exist.
Dale Mabry said:Oh GP, but you can control the above with the proper training. I would still agree that it is more important to recruit the ones you already have since it is generally the limiting factor.
LAM said:I hope you are not saying the hyperplasia can be controlled ?
Dale Mabry said:It can be controlled, but not finely controlled. By training the proper energy system you end up with more of the enzymes associated with that energy system in the muscle. So by doing this, you are controlling it since the more oxidative enzymes you have in the area, the more type IIa fibers will act like type I fibers and with more glycolytic enzymes in the area the more they will act like type IIb.
Dale Mabry said:Semantics my friend, semantics. You could argue that you can't "control" what you eat, only influence it as well. We are saying the same thing I believe.
justin22 said:Go pro.. i just got my bottle of cex..can i ask u one thing about it..what do u mix it with is it ok to mix with my protein shake?
chris mason said:You are both right. Training in a certain fashion will cause an increase in oxidative mitochondria in the type II fibers thus making them more of a hybrid fiber. The caveat is, of course, that this is an adaptation by the body and thus not guaranteed. I think that is GoPro's point. I agree with Dale that there really is no argument between you two, just a misunderstanding of words used.
Now, how this is relevant to training progress is probably the real question. Hyperplasia in humans in NOT proven (although it MAY occur). Your real goal with training should be to do so in a progressive fashion while maintaining similar form and technique on a given movement. If you do that and are consuming sufficient calories you virtually guarantee good results in terms of size and strength assuming you have the hereditary ability to increase further in size and strength.
gopro said:There are things that are done consciously that are in our control, but there are functions of our body that are out of our control, but that we can try and influence based on what we know.
Dale Mabry said:Like blood sugar, which will, along with the psychological aspect, control what you eat. You can't forget about the psychological aspect unless you forget about the psyche, which you cannot. My point is that you really have no control over anything by your definition. Case in point supply and demand. You can WANT 10 oz of chicken breast, but if there is none at the grocery store or you have no means to prepare it you cannot have it. That is out of your control.
By the way GP, I am not arguing with you, just providing another viewpoint.
Dale Mabry said:I am sure Icould "influence" you to talk to the higher ups and get a new flavor for Micellean MRP, but I s'pose I can't control that.