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    Carbs+Protein , Fat+Protein meals ONLY!

    What is the board´s opinon about never combine fat and carbs in the same meal.

    Im bulking and eat as follow:

    07.00 Oatmeal + Tunafish (70g carbs + 60g Protein)
    Yeah i know its fat in the oatmeal
    10.00 Flaxeed oil+Tunafish (45g Fat + 50g protein)
    13.00 spaghetti + tunafish ( 60g carbs +50g protein)
    16.00 spaghetti + tunafish ( 60g carbs +50g protein)
    17.00 Slice bread + tunafish (30g carbs + 37.5g protein)
    18.00 Workout
    19.00 PostWorkOut Gainer ( 75g carbs + 70g protein)
    20.00 spaghetti + tunafish ( 50g carbs +50g protein)
    22.00 spaghetti + tunafish ( 50g carbs +50g protein)
    24.00 Flaxeed oil+Tunafish (45g Fat + 50g protein)

    Add about 5 L water / day and richly with vegs. to 4 of the meals.
    I also add vitamins supplements and dhe dha fat acids.


    Total Gram: 395g Carbs 417,5g Protein 90g Fat (not included the fat in tunafish can and from the carbs sources)
    Total Kcal: Carbs:1580kcal Protein:1670kcal Fat:810kcal
    4060kcal
    Total % : Carbs: 38,9% Protein: 41,1% Fat: 20%

    Like you se, i dont think pizza and other cheat supplements is included in an diet plan, bulking or cutting.

    I have done good with this diet, and wondering if i should do even more good with an other plan.

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    187 Pound
    6 foot
    aprox. 12% bodyfat
    Trained for 2 years


    Im doing Eq 500mg / w , Prop 50mg EOD

    Give me critic.

    Day 1: Biceps - Legs(front side)
    Day 2: Chest - abd.
    Day 3: Rest
    Day 4: Back - Leg (backside) - Calf
    Day 5: shoulder - Triceps - Trapz
    Day 6: Rest

    Begin with "Day 1" again.
    Last edited by mr_fitness; 10-18-2004 at 07:32 AM.

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    #1 - you need to vary your sources of protein(s). each source of animal protein has a different amino acid profile. they complement each other when each is consumed on a regular basis

    #2 - some fats are essential to stabilize serum glucose levels with high carb meals

    #3 - IMO...417 grams of protein is way too much for a person with 165 lbs of LBM or non-fat
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    lam, dont some proteins contain all the aminos though?

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    May I ask why you having 45 grams of fat in your 2'nd meal?
    In my opinion, I think it would be better if you swtich meal 22.00 with your 2'nd meal

    Like LAM said, you need to vary your protein sources and carbs as well.. how about Brown Rice, Yams ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulletproof1
    lam, dont some proteins contain all the aminos though?
    all animal proteins are complete proteins and contain all 9 essential amino acids. the amino acid profile is how much of each amino acid that food item contains...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sara
    May I ask why you having 45 grams of fat in your 2'nd meal?
    In my opinion, I think it would be better if you swtich meal 22.00 with your 2'nd meal

    Like LAM said, you need to vary your protein sources and carbs as well.. how about Brown Rice, Yams ??
    I dont want to eat any Fat for minimum 4hours after my workout due i have read that it will be stored easily in my fatcells.
    And i want to get 20% of my energy from fat, thats why i have added the fat+protein meal at 10am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAM
    #1 - you need to vary your sources of protein(s). each source of animal protein has a different amino acid profile. they complement each other when each is consumed on a regular basis

    #2 - some fats are essential to stabilize serum glucose levels with high carb meals

    #3 - IMO...417 grams of protein is way too much for a person with 165 lbs of LBM or non-fat
    #1 Will i notice any big effect if i vary my protein intake?
    I use tunafish because its so tham cheap and its very easy to just open and eat.

    #2 what do you suggest would be a good meal for this then? I have thougt that you should stay away from fat at insuline peaks.

    #3 even when im on a cycle?
    How much would I eat at maximum then?

    I have put on fat very easily, thats why im very strict with my bulking diet and afraid of doing wrong.

    My bulk plan above, have i put togheter at my own after reading many articles and followed some debate on boards.

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    This exerpt may help give you an insight to your original question;

    Insulin is primarily involved in nutrient transport. It facilitates glucose and amino acid transport into muscle cells, and fatty acid transport into fat cells. It also blocks many catabolic processes which is a good thing. Insulin is released in response to food ingestion in an effort to maintain a baseline blood glucose level.

    Let me get into more detail about how insulin works, and what it all does. The following is a chart taken from the book 'Protein Power' that compares the relative amounts of insulin and glucagon released in response to various combinations of food:

    COMBINATION ............................INSULIN .....................GLUCAGON
    carbs alone ..................................***** ...........................none
    protien alone ................................** ................................**
    fat alone .......................................none ............................none
    protien + fat .................................** ................................**
    Carbs * fat ...................................**** .............................none
    low carb + high protien ..................** ................................*
    high carb + low protien ..................******** ......................*



    Insulin's role is not only shuttling nutrients into tissues, but also fat storage, triggering cholesterol synthesis, water and sodium retention, and possibly appetite control (albeit indirectly). It also works against glucagon, preventing fatty acid mobilization, and may also prevent the release of growth hormone, if present in high levels.

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    Thx G-Man

    But i want to hear others opinion in eating like me, not eat carbs and fat in the same meal

    What´s the benefits? etc.

    I cant be the only one that have tried this plan?
    I have read plenty of articles of people that not combine fat and carbs in the same meal.

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    to be honest can't say i've tried it, and don't really think i will try it

    only time i have a protein and fats meal is before bed, at other times of the day i always try and get some sort of carbs and try and drop carbs slightly in the evening and add in fats

    e.g. if a choice between chicken or salmon i'd go for chicken in the day, salmon in the evening

    i think you diet looks really silly, all you eat is tuna and pasta! or tuna and fat! that ain't right man!! get a george forman grill and replace some of that tuna with chicken, stake, and other fish such as salmon... will be much better for you, also easy up on the pasta, pasta is high Gi and that will make you fat! eat some veg, bread, rice, fruit for gawdsake!

    mr fitness more like mr fishness, sort it out!! what will the ladies think when they get a whiff of your breath? i hope you have plenty of gum/spray on hand for that

    serious fall back on the tuna kid, 2 cans max, coz that diet is a joke!

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    Dude, the whole basis of this diet is that you eat P+F meals later in the day, after your workout to slow down protein metabolism/release. I believe the rule is that you eat C+P up until after your postworkout meals and then your last 2 or 3 are P+F.

    I am actually contemplating doing this starting soon since it is one of the few diets I have not tried. There is good science behind it, but good science does not always transfer into real world results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by young d
    to be honest can't say i've tried it, and don't really think i will try it

    only time i have a protein and fats meal is before bed, at other times of the day i always try and get some sort of carbs and try and drop carbs slightly in the evening and add in fats

    e.g. if a choice between chicken or salmon i'd go for chicken in the day, salmon in the evening

    i think you diet looks really silly, all you eat is tuna and pasta! or tuna and fat! that ain't right man!! get a george forman grill and replace some of that tuna with chicken, stake, and other fish such as salmon... will be much better for you, also easy up on the pasta, pasta is high Gi and that will make you fat! eat some veg, bread, rice, fruit for gawdsake!

    mr fitness more like mr fishness, sort it out!! what will the ladies think when they get a whiff of your breath? i hope you have plenty of gum/spray on hand for that

    serious fall back on the tuna kid, 2 cans max, coz that diet is a joke!

    peace
    Don´t focus so tham much about my little varity of protein.
    I have got this advice already in the thread.

    I want to here why P+F+C each meal is to prefere to not combine C+F.
    Have allso seen studies that you got insuline resistant if you eat carb to many times a day , thats why i take P+F some of the meals as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Mabry
    Dude, the whole basis of this diet is that you eat P+F meals later in the day, after your workout to slow down protein metabolism/release. I believe the rule is that you eat C+P up until after your postworkout meals and then your last 2 or 3 are P+F.

    I am actually contemplating doing this starting soon since it is one of the few diets I have not tried. There is good science behind it, but good science does not always transfer into real world results.
    If i follow your example i only got my PWD and second meal containing carbs after de workout. Is this enough?


    Is there a golden rule on how many Hours after workout you should stay away from fat ??

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    Just eat clean, train hard and smart people worrying about counting combining this that and everything else end up stressing them selves out with sensory over load and end up going back wards instead of forwards. As long as its clean low glycemic carbs with good fats and solid lean protein source then you will be fine, do cardio for heart, and caloires in vs calories burned to loose weight and vice versa for slow weight gain. i would vary protein to get a variety of amino acids, eat low glycemic carbs, and use carb tamper according to work out schedule and have fun with it. If you see your self getting fat instead of dropping caloires keep caloires same and add more cardio, after aweek that doesn;t work lower caloires about 10% but keep in cardio.

    Lower protein for god sakes !! to about 300 from food if you want more add in BCAAS, glutemine to increase intake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973
    Just eat clean, train hard and smart people worrying about counting combining this that and everything else end up stressing them selves out with sensory over load and end up going back wards instead of forwards. As long as its clean low glycemic carbs with good fats and solid lean protein source then you will be fine, do cardio for heart, and caloires in vs calories burned to loose weight and vice versa for slow weight gain. i would vary protein to get a variety of amino acids, eat low glycemic carbs, and use carb tamper according to work out schedule and have fun with it. If you see your self getting fat instead of dropping caloires keep caloires same and add more cardio, after aweek that doesn;t work lower caloires about 10% but keep in cardio.

    Lower protein for god sakes !! to about 300 from food if you want more add in BCAAS, glutemine to increase intake.
    Clear and simple

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