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    The money

    The money...

    Everyday we hear "GIVE" - to this or that... And that is fine. BUT, W H E R E is that money supposed to come from? Even by those well intentioned?

    I just heard that George Bush signed legislation that will allow people to take any contributions for the Tsunami victims they make off their 2004 income tax instead of waiting for 2005. That is nice - BUT:

    If the government does not receive income from income tax - if we keep giving people tax breaks, tax reductions, etc. it eventually adds up and government operates on income COMING IN just as you or I rely on income coming in - regularly.

    Seems to me that the "shit" is GOING to "hit the fan" either soon or down the road. And make no mistake - WE ARE GOING TO PAY and PAY DEARLY. Every time we "extend" ourselves we go out on a limb and the further out on the limb you go the greater the risk of that limb breaking...

    And what about those IN NEED here in THIS COUNTRY?

    This applies to a most basic thing in this country: if you are not making things IN this country and your people are not working and earning a decent living wage IN this country the SHIT IT GOING TO HIT THE FAN - GUARANTEED. The ONLY thing that MADE this country strong was people IN this country working and making a decent living - master craftsmen, industry, machinery, knowledge, etc. IN this country. That IS what makes things happen - for everyone.

    This country is an accident waiting to happen. Unless we go back to the basics - people working IN this country, industry IN this country, agriculture (farms) IN this country producing FOR those in this country (and the rest of the world), it is only a matter of time and we are seeing that now and on the horizon....

    We used to be the strongest country in the world and could help others. Strength comes from YOU DOING - it just does not "happen" no matter how much a person "wishes" it to happen. Our strength comes from US DOING OURSELVES for the benefit of ourselves and all others. This applies to each country not just the USA.

    Our very future as a people and as a country DEPENDS on US DOING FOR OURSELVES - because that is how you can do for others. This applies to the strength of a person and the strength of a country. Someone else can NOT do the "lifting" FOR you - YOU MUST DO IT FOR YOURSELF. That IS where results come from!! Then others as well as you BENEFIT.

    Take Care, John H.

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    man your posts give me headaches - do you ever post about anything body building related?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stu21Ldn
    man your posts give me headaches - do you ever post about anything body building related?
    I think this is the first non-homosexual thread he's started .
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    Quote Originally Posted by stu21Ldn
    man your posts give me headaches - do you ever post about anything body building related?
    No kidding! Maybe PhilosophyQuest.com would be a better match.

    (BTW, I completely just made that up and am pretty sure that doesn't exist, so don't try to go there.)

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    csf3, it's really funny how often I find myself looking at your avatar!

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    John H Im proud to see another voice of common sense in this froumn. Besides mine, Metal, and one or two others. I for one am sick of hearing, and seeing, all these nations and rich people treating this Tsunami thing like another trendy ego contest. "Gee, I'll give more then Bill and prove Im the better person". Where were thse cocksuckers when two million innocents in Sudan were murdered in a racial genocide by tyrants? Where were they when Serbia was on a genicidal rampage? Or when Saddam was nerve gassing children?.....or Somalia,North Korea,Cambodia,Rwanda? and a thousand other genocides that no-one gave a shit about? for that matter where was the outrage that these Pacific rim countrys had no warning system because the various tyrants that run them were to busy stealing their nations wealth, and tha fact they didnt have to answer to the people as a democracy would?

    We dont have control over mother nature but we do have control over what the naked ape can pull. And mother nature has nothing on mankinds destructiveness.

    Im not saying we shouldnt be helping these people. What Im saying is America isnt at fault for a Tsunami and we should never feel guilty for having wealth. The western Democracys have fought for these things and have fought their way back from devestation to prosperity many times because we demand a Govt's that answer to the people. And John H is right when he says we have enough needy people here to keep us concerned.

    While we are helping these people the Free Nations of the world should also force Democratic change in these nations. With diplomacy is we can, with military force if we must. Because thats where the real human Tsunami in this world is. In the various dictatorships, Military run Govt.,s, and assorted Tyrannys where human rights isnt even a concept.

    Death to tyrants!!!!..............Rich




    Quote Originally Posted by John H.
    The money...

    Everyday we hear "GIVE" - to this or that... And that is fine. BUT, W H E R E is that money supposed to come from? Even by those well intentioned?

    I just heard that George Bush signed legislation that will allow people to take any contributions for the Tsunami victims they make off their 2004 income tax instead of waiting for 2005. That is nice - BUT:

    If the government does not receive income from income tax - if we keep giving people tax breaks, tax reductions, etc. it eventually adds up and government operates on income COMING IN just as you or I rely on income coming in - regularly.

    Seems to me that the "shit" is GOING to "hit the fan" either soon or down the road. And make no mistake - WE ARE GOING TO PAY and PAY DEARLY. Every time we "extend" ourselves we go out on a limb and the further out on the limb you go the greater the risk of that limb breaking...

    And what about those IN NEED here in THIS COUNTRY?

    This applies to a most basic thing in this country: if you are not making things IN this country and your people are not working and earning a decent living wage IN this country the SHIT IT GOING TO HIT THE FAN - GUARANTEED. The ONLY thing that MADE this country strong was people IN this country working and making a decent living - master craftsmen, industry, machinery, knowledge, etc. IN this country. That IS what makes things happen - for everyone.

    This country is an accident waiting to happen. Unless we go back to the basics - people working IN this country, industry IN this country, agriculture (farms) IN this country producing FOR those in this country (and the rest of the world), it is only a matter of time and we are seeing that now and on the horizon....

    We used to be the strongest country in the world and could help others. Strength comes from YOU DOING - it just does not "happen" no matter how much a person "wishes" it to happen. Our strength comes from US DOING OURSELVES for the benefit of ourselves and all others. This applies to each country not just the USA.

    Our very future as a people and as a country DEPENDS on US DOING FOR OURSELVES - because that is how you can do for others. This applies to the strength of a person and the strength of a country. Someone else can NOT do the "lifting" FOR you - YOU MUST DO IT FOR YOURSELF. That IS where results come from!! Then others as well as you BENEFIT.

    Take Care, John H.
    "Death to Tyrants"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stu21Ldn
    man your posts give me headaches - do you ever post about anything body building related?

    Hi Stu,

    Yes I have - and will. But I get people who object to just about anything - tell me what is wrong with saying to others to BE the VERY BEST you CAN BE? Or how about DOING your VERY BEST to BE YOUR BEST? Because that is ABSOLUTELY TRUE. I even posted about it being GUARANTEED that IF a person will DO their VERY BEST they WILL GET what they are after - Rome was not built in a day and neither is the Human Body. Those that BUILD their bodies intelligently and WITH RESOLVE get what they are after - GUARANTEED!!! Time has a way of BEING on our side when we STAY FOCUSSED!!!

    Take Care, John H.

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    f***k all tyrants in this world.

    There are many things common in tyrants.
    They lack proper education.
    They hate educated and intelluctual people.
    They are accompanied by yes-men.
    They are chicken.
    They are of old generation.
    They did a lot of things wrong and never tried to admit it.


    and they suck.

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    Man John H and Rich, you guys are political morons. You obviously have no idea about international relations and business ethics, because business isn't about making money. It's about making sure every red-blooded american has a job. Whats that you say? People in India will work for .35 an hour while I have to pay my employees here in the U.S. a minimum of $5.25 an hour? But that wouldn't be patriotic. Fuck the $5 per employee per hour I would save by producing my goods internationally. Come on guys, a country where everyone has a job and everything says "Made in America" sounds great, and would be great, but is about as realistic as Michael Jackson being innocent.The basis of a company is to turn a profit, and when labor is $5 an hour cheaper in another country, good luck telling the CEO that "the shit will hit the fan if we don't help ourselves soon". He'll tell you to fuck off. Im not anti-american or anything like that at all, im very patriotic, but im also realistic. Examine your point of view from a business standpoint, and then see how it looks.

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    A smart 22yo kid occasonally shuts the fuck up and listens to their elders. A 22yo kid with his head up his ass makes statements like this.
    Mommies calling you Gamecock, or cockhead, or whatever your silly ass name is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gococksDJS
    Man John H and Rich, you guys are political morons. You obviously have no idea about international relations and business ethics, because business isn't about making money. It's about making sure every red-blooded american has a job. Whats that you say? People in India will work for .35 an hour while I have to pay my employees here in the U.S. a minimum of $5.25 an hour? But that wouldn't be patriotic. Fuck the $5 per employee per hour I would save by producing my goods internationally. Come on guys, a country where everyone has a job and everything says "Made in America" sounds great, and would be great, but is about as realistic as Michael Jackson being innocent.The basis of a company is to turn a profit, and when labor is $5 an hour cheaper in another country, good luck telling the CEO that "the shit will hit the fan if we don't help ourselves soon". He'll tell you to fuck off. Im not anti-american or anything like that at all, im very patriotic, but im also realistic. Examine your point of view from a business standpoint, and then see how it looks.
    "Death to Tyrants"!

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