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    Bonds Press Conference

    Even though i dislike Bonds, I pretty much agreed with everything he said, with the exception of him bringing up race as an issue.

    Mainly i agreed with:
    -Alchohol has killed 100% more people than steriods (he didn't say that specifically, but he mentioned alchohol).

    -WHO CARES about steroids in baseball when their are SO MUCH BIGGER things to worry about in the world

    Otherwise, No, Barry. People don't want you to not break the record cuz you're black. They don't want you to break the record cuz you're a fucking asshole, that's why.

    You could tell he was defending steroids w/o actually saying it. I actually thought it was kinda funny, although i agreed with what he said. He started firing back at the media, which i thought was great.

    anyways, just wondering what you guys thought.
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    I didnt see it.. but I cant believe he pulled this. What an ass..

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    He has every right to defend steroids, but the fact of the matter is that they're illegal both by the government and the governing bodies of his sport. Although I probably agree to his defense of steroids, that's not the issue. The issue is: he broke the rules, and he deserves to face the consequences.

    A high-profile athlete really shouldn't have much to say (if they did in fact take steroids knowingly) other than, "I'm sorry, and I'm willing to take responsibility for my actions."

    If just some guy, like anyone on IM, wants to take steroids, that's fine with me. It's your decision, and you're the only one you'd hurt if something bad happened. For these athletes, however, they taint their reputation, they taint their accomplishments, they hurt the game, they destroy the confidence of the fans, and they put undue pressure on the athletes that now "underperform" because they decided to stay "clean." In my opinion, steroids has no place in professional sports, and those who choose to use them should be duely punished.

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    steroids are illegal...period...if he used..which is pretty obvious...he deserves jail time
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    and i love how he fucks around with the media...the media has been on him since day 1...i love watching him fire back
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    I could sit here and argue just about every single thing you said here, but i'll keep it simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy
    they're illegal both by the government and the governing bodies of his sport. Although I probably agree to his defense of steroids, that's not the issue. The issue is: he broke the rules, and he deserves to face the consequences.
    Uh, no, he didn't break the rules. Baseball steroid laws were a joke, and besides, Steriods may have been illegal, but they were certainly accepted in baseball only until the last few months.


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    A high-profile athlete really shouldn't have much to say (if they did in fact take steroids knowingly) other than, "I'm sorry, and I'm willing to take responsibility for my actions."
    Honestly, ask yourself, why would he say he's sorry. Sorry for what?
    So he can be ridiculed and hammered by the entire national media like Giambi? So he can be made a clown like Canseco?
    Bottom line is the FANS want to see the biggest, fastest and strongest. Certainly no one was complaining when Sosa and McGwire were hitting every pitch outta the park.
    And like i said earlier, they were ACCEPTED until the past few months.

    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy
    If just some guy, like anyone on IM, wants to take steroids, that's fine with me. It's your decision, and you're the only one you'd hurt if something bad happened. For these athletes, however, they taint their reputation, they taint their accomplishments, they hurt the game, they destroy the confidence of the fans, and they put undue pressure on the athletes that now "underperform" because they decided to stay "clean." In my opinion, steroids has no place in professional sports, and those who choose to use them should be duely punished.
    First off, what bad could happen.

    Secondly, they DONT taint their reputation, because STEROIDS DONT MAKE THEM HIT HR'S! Sure, it may make the ball go a little further, but it CERTAINLY won't give them that swing, and that eye for the right pitch, adn the bat speed (although steriods may help bat speed).

    Hurt their accomplishments?
    maybe, but ONLY b/c of the blacklabel society has put on them like they are doing even moreso now.

    Destroy the confidence of the fans?
    HOW do you figure? ITS THE FANS who want the biggest, best and fastest.

    Put undue pressure on clean athletes?
    Well, guess what. It's a business just like everything else. Fairness went out the window in pro sports many decades ago. It's all about one thing now...$. And guys will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to make sure they're getting it.

    Enough of this rant, i'm off to bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oaktownboy
    steroids are illegal...period...if he used..which is pretty obvious...he deserves jail time
    you can't be serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flex
    I could sit here and argue just about every single thing you said here, but i'll keep it simple.



    Uh, no, he didn't break the rules. Baseball steroid laws were a joke, and besides, Steriods may have been illegal, but they were certainly accepted in baseball only until the last few months.




    Honestly, ask yourself, why would he say he's sorry. Sorry for what?
    So he can be ridiculed and hammered by the entire national media like Giambi? So he can be made a clown like Canseco?
    Bottom line is the FANS want to see the biggest, fastest and strongest. Certainly no one was complaining when Sosa and McGwire were hitting every pitch outta the park.
    And like i said earlier, they were ACCEPTED until the past few months.



    First off, what bad could happen.

    Secondly, they DONT taint their reputation, because STEROIDS DONT MAKE THEM HIT HR'S! Sure, it may make the ball go a little further, but it CERTAINLY won't give them that swing, and that eye for the right pitch, adn the bat speed (although steriods may help bat speed).

    Hurt their accomplishments?
    maybe, but ONLY b/c of the blacklabel society has put on them like they are doing even moreso now.

    Destroy the confidence of the fans?
    HOW do you figure? ITS THE FANS who want the biggest, best and fastest.

    Put undue pressure on clean athletes?
    Well, guess what. It's a business just like everything else. Fairness went out the window in pro sports many decades ago. It's all about one thing now...$. And guys will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to make sure they're getting it.

    Enough of this rant, i'm off to bed.
    Wow. I could sit here and argue about everything you just wrote, too. I'll keep it short and sweet.

    Maybe I'm a baseball purist, but it taints the game when records are set by breaking the rules. Say what you want, but none of those guys were hitting 60+ home runs before they got into steroids. (Except maybe Sosa...was he on them? I honestly haven't heard about him yet.)

    Let's assume they never got caught. Fans would say, "Wow, Barry Bonds was amazing - one of the best there ever was." Instead, he got caught. Now fans will say, "He was good, but he probably wouldn't ever have been that good if he hadn't been on 'roids." THAT'S how he tainted his reputation.

    Maybe the rules were looked over by managers and trainers, but steroids weren't ever ok. They've always been against the rules, and now that all this is public, the rules are finally going to be enforced (I hope).

    Maybe you're right. Maybe no one loves the game and everyone just wants money, no matter whether or not it is breaking the rules. But that doesn't make it right. Furthermore, it doesn't make it something to be looked over and ignored. That is why the media has reacted the way it has, and that is why the governing bodies of baseball will see to it that it is fixed.

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    they certainly don't deserve jail time by any means. If that is tehcase then we should be consistent and lock up any women on birth control, since they are also steroids. The government is hipocritical as fucc when it comes to this, its just legalized stereotyping. If Baseball chooses to not allow them in their league, I couldn't care less, they have the right to do that despite my opinions about it. However making criminals of those who want a little cosmetic enhancement for their personal aesthetics is just wrong. Plastic surgery (such as implants) is legal when its a far worse and more dangerous way to enhance ones looks. I did notice Bond's subconsciously defending the roids, which was funny. I bet his publicists didn't want him to say that shit.. lol. He still is an asshole of course, but you gotta side with him on this one imo.

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    As big an ASSHOLE as Bonds is, I like him. I think I am in the small minority of people who will be cheering for him to break Aaron's record.

    Yeah, pulling the race card was lame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Are Baboon
    As big an ASSHOLE as Bonds is, I like him. I think I am in the small minority of people who will be cheering for him to break Aaron's record.

    Yeah, pulling the race card was lame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gr81
    they certainly don't deserve jail time by any means. If that is tehcase then we should be consistent and lock up any women on birth control, since they are also steroids. The government is hipocritical as fucc when it comes to this, its just legalized stereotyping. If Baseball chooses to not allow them in their league, I couldn't care less, they have the right to do that despite my opinions about it. However making criminals of those who want a little cosmetic enhancement for their personal aesthetics is just wrong. Plastic surgery (such as implants) is legal when its a far worse and more dangerous way to enhance ones looks. I did notice Bond's subconsciously defending the roids, which was funny. I bet his publicists didn't want him to say that shit.. lol. He still is an asshole of course, but you gotta side with him on this one imo.
    I have a similar view of steroids as you, gr81, as I think they are far less dangerous than other things we have that are legal. However, it is silly to compare steroids with birth control and plastic surgery considering both are legal. Whether or not its fair, they are against the law and the rules of baseball, and he knew that before he used them. Therefore, he deserves to suffer the consequences.

    I don't want him to get jail time, and I don't think he will. But if baseball just gives him a slap on the wrist, I will be upset because it sets a bad precedent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy
    Say what you want, but none of those guys were hitting 60+ home runs before they got into steroids.
    Oh no?
    That's funny. Cuz I recall a guy by the name of Roger Maris. Was he on steroids, too?
    What about (SKINNY) rookie Centerfielder Ken Griffey Jr.? He was mashin' 'em out his first few years. Sure, he never got to 60+, but he was on his way.

    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy
    (Except maybe Sosa...was he on them?
    I honestly haven't heard about him yet.)
    THATS RIGHT WHERE THE ENTIRE PROBLEM LIES, BRO!
    All this bullshit about what people have heard/said and steroids and cheating and who's on them and EVERYTHING is 100% speculation.
    STEROIDS WILL NOT MAKE YOU A GREAT HITTER. I've already went into vast depth in another thread, and honestly i don't feel like doing it again (try a search....i believe it's "should bonds have an asterisk"). Steroids don't let Barry Bonds take that ONE pitch he MAYBE sees every at bat and jack it out of the park. Steroids don't give him a .380BA or outta-this-world OBP.

    Everyone has forgotten about what REALLY matters, whether or not steroids do in fact make you a better ball player, SO good in fact, that you'll hit 770HR'S in your career, what NO OTHER PERSON, EVEN those on steroids, could do.

    If steroids do make the entire difference, then we should just juice up the entire Minor League Baseball system. We'll see who even comes close to being a superstar. My guess, not many.


    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy
    Maybe the rules were looked over by managers and trainers, but steroids weren't ever ok. They've always been against the rules, and now that all this is public, the rules are finally going to be enforced (I hope).
    They were just overlooked? They weren't ok? Are you sure?
    Well, NOBODY said ANYTHING about them until the media blew this shit so far outta proportion over the last year. Had Giambi not started the entire speculation, i'm sure these guys would STILL be happily juicing and MLB and its fans would STILL not care. But because the media makes a huge stink of it, it grabs the govt's attention, and THEY demand reprecussions, THATS why it's a big deal now.

    Quote Originally Posted by thatguy
    Maybe you're right. Maybe no one loves the game and everyone just wants money, no matter whether or not it is breaking the rules. But that doesn't make it right. Furthermore, it doesn't make it something to be looked over and ignored. That is why the media has reacted the way it has, and that is why the governing bodies of baseball will see to it that it is fixed.
    And i'm not saying nobody loves the game. I'm just saying that all morals went out the sports window a few decades back when $ became more important than the sport itself. And it's not just the players' fault for that, they are just doing what we'd do. They wanna make as much money as they can, as ridiculous to us as it may seem, because THEY CAN.

    And the media reacted to it so overwhelmingly is because thats the way society's media is nowadays. One guy gets killed in Iraq and the media jumps on it, when they have no business being in a place of war.

    Personally, i hope it is fixed. But i hope even more that people STOP shunning steroids the way they do, which all STARTS with the media.
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    um STEROIDS ARE ILLEGAL..i think sum of u don't realize that..we lock bruthas up on the street for snorting sum crack..but dont care when athletes use illegal muscle-enhancing drugs? come on..talk about being a hippocrat
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