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    Bent over laterals....

    I was waiting in the checkout lane of a walmart and picked up a Mens fitness flipped threw it. I saw an article on the form of bent over rear laterals. It was saying having your hands pronated grip is more effective at targeting the posterior delts. Using a grip where your palms face each other, the grip I have always used and always seen used, targets the medial delts more. Is this true? I tried doign the movement without weights and it was hard to feel a difernce.

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    you mean palms facing the floor?
    What this means is that when we drop a ball and it falls to the ground, it wasn't the ball that moved (down to the ground), but the ground that moved (up to the ball)

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    I think it's an overrated exercise. You'll get plenty more rear delt work with heavy bent rows, face pulls, etc.

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    you mean palms facing the floor?
    yes

    I think it's an overrated exercise. You'll get plenty more rear delt work with heavy bent rows, face pulls, etc.
    I do all the heavy back work, but my anterior, and medial heads over power my posterior delt by far so I add in extra work. I do either bent over lat raise, reverse pecdeck, reverse cable cross, or some other rear delt machine which sucks. They have been catching up nicely, but I would like to train them as efficient as possible so they catch up quick, hence the question at hand....

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    It was saying having your hands pronated grip is more effective at targeting the posterior delts. Using a grip where your palms face each other, the grip I have always used and always seen used, targets the medial delts more.
    I'm sorry I still don't understand the difference in grips you speak of

    Hang on.........does pronated mean your palms a facing you?
    What this means is that when we drop a ball and it falls to the ground, it wasn't the ball that moved (down to the ground), but the ground that moved (up to the ball)

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    This is easy, supinated i like your holding a bowl of soup. Pronated is the opposite, palms down. So if your doing bent over laterals, your palms are facing the opposite direction of your body. Supposedly thats more effecitve, but this is coming from a weider magazine.....

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    The answer to this is the same reason why people tell you to bring your pinkies together (rotating your wrist) when you do DB flyes. Whether this activates more muscles is yet to really be proven but the idea of it sounds okay.

    You need to examine the musculature your working.

    A pronated grip for bent over laterals would mean that instaed of your palms facing eachother (neutral grip), your palsm would be facing backwards (when you are bent over or towars the floor when you are standing up. thumb would be pointing down to the floor at the top of the rep). Basically what this is is internal rotation at the shoulder joint. If you were to perform the exercise with a supinated grip (palm facing forward or palm facing the cieling if you are standing. thumbd would be pointed towards the ceiling at the top of the rep), this would be external rotation at the shoulder, and would produce a differnete effect.

    So look at the musculature. You are working your rear delts. The basic movement is that you are working your rear delts in horizontal extension (a horizontal movement). Now, by altering whether you are in internal, external or neutral position at the shoulder will alter the way in which the muscle works. Obviously neutral is just that.....neutral, inbetween external and internal. If you were to pronate your hands *external rotation) for the exercises then you are now doing the opposite movement that the rear delt does for the shoulder. The rear delt is an external rotator so doing the opposite of external rotation, which is internal rotation (prontating) this is going to stretch the rear delts (the opposite way a muscle contracts is how you stretch it). So you are asking your rear delts to contract in a stretched state. The final way, my personal favorite, is to do the exercise with a supinated grip. This would put the shuolder in external rotation for the movement. The rear delt is an exeternal rotator so you are now contracting it to its maximum capability (horizontal extensions AND external rotation). It is much harder this way.

    the best thing i could tell you is try alll three and vary them up week to week or every few weeks.
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    Awesome, thats the technical explanation I was looking for. I guess I could have researched and figured that out on my own(stares at my ACE pt manual). I am going to try them with a supinated grip next time, it makes perfect logical sense. I can always count on your posts being super helpful, thanks, and btw looking big dude.

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