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    I am looking for info and advice. I am new to the world of steroids, however I have been all over the internet educating myself. I beleive I now have a relativly good understanding. After getting through all the info from those with no understanding (OH! your dick will shrink, you will get bitch tits, you'll die) I now know the various tips and tricks to keep potential side effects from occuring, ie. anti-estrogens\antogonist. I have seen somewhat the kind of treatment newbies get when confuring with the "experts". I tried a mini stack of Deca, Dianabol, and Proviron (Deca 200mg\week, Dianobol 20mg\daily, and Proviron 50mg\daily for thirty days). This may seem wimpy to you, but for me I was testing the waters. When I inject the Deca in my right arm(upper shoulder) within 2 days there is no pain at the injection site. When I inject it into the left arm it takes almost a complete week for there to be no pain. Why is that? I am right handed is that the reason? Also what are some other injectable sites? Does this stack sound decent for a 27 y.o. male, 180lbs. I cannot tell you exactly what I bench because my workout isn't exactly what you would call structured. I work on tug boats in the Chesapeake Bay on the Atlantic Coast. The job is physically demanding. Within a couple months of starting I gained 20lbs with a noticible increase in size in my arms and chest(without roids). I am difinately interested in getting the maximum impact and advantage from my job. Some might think it impossible but I did notice a change in the physiology (shape and size) of my upper body with the small four week cycle. Which brings me to another point. I got my gear from an online supplier (S*****N.com). My first order was ontime and legit, with my second order they dissapeared from the face of the earth(with my money). Any education, help, tips or advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

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    A 5 week cycle using deca is one example of the need for you to conduct more research on AAS usage. If you're determined to use steroids just keep it simple, like 500mg of test enanthate for 10 weeks. Keep on reading.

    BTW did you do PCT after your mini-cycle?

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    I dont care what anyone says...a short cycle is best. I have done it all and my advise for a newbe is do only 5-6 week cycles and take at least 12 weeks off after. The 10-15 week cycles are for people who are so juiced up they get 0 gains from a safe short cycle. My first cycle was 250 primoteston 2x a week for 3 weeks, and 125mg shot to end it, I went from(6"1) 215 to 230...waist was 31 and stayed 31..my bench went from 315x10 to 345 x10 and I kept 10 lbs of those gains.....didnt juice for 4 months after that. The best cycle for me was 500mg test ( any kind) and 400mg deca per week, never for more than 8 weeks. But when I got really big and strong I did a 10 week cycle ...week 1-4 deca 400 and test 500..week 5-7 anadrol 50- 1 tab a day + 200 deca and 1.5 cc trenbolne 2x aweek...and week 8 a 100mg taper of deca.

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    If you are only going to do 5 weeks of deca, you are going to still have to be off of it for a good length of time to truly recover.

    As for the tapering comment, thats what the half life of the drug is for.

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    Steroids 101 the longer the cycle the longer the tapper off....5 weeks is so short you need only 1 week to tapper off

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    Oh right, I should take advice from a guy who scammed a bunch of people before he went legit. And he wrote a book, why he must be some kind of guru or something! Jeff AKA Bart gives some of the worst advice I've seen. But since it was in a book you must think it makes it factual, or that the author somehow posseses some knowlege that everyone else doesn't. Or maybe he just lifted all that information from old sources which have been by far outdated by time.

    Shoot let me pull out WAR 96 and post some fictional advice right along with you.

    The drug, tapers itself. Try grasping the concept of a half life. Or you can keep reading the bullshit Bart puts out.

    There are many ways to skin a cat, but that doesn't mean that everyone who gets the job done did it the best possible way.

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    mudge if you are talking to me...I have never written a book about anything....why are you so mad????....I have used steroids for many years and am just giving my opinions on what I have done and my friends have done. You need to be happy and love life.....when you turn pro let me know and I will give you props.

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    I dont compete as a bodybuilder, I'm heterosexual. Pink posing trunks dont really get me motivated.

    I was a paying member of "Jeff Summer's" board before he closed it down, so I know his cycles. I know his "you dont need a post cycle if you only do 250mg of testosterone a week" bogus theories.

    I prefer a scientific approach with a little experience thrown in from those around me, and we've seen blood work so for Jeff to be supporting 1970s thinking in this day and age is pure laziness or ignorance on his part when he could be providing modern day data that everyone else has access too.

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    Mudge I respect all opinions but you are very mad...why???? we can talk as adults and learn from each other....why do you need to be so angery and scared???

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    Angry, is the correct spelling. I would suggest you stop making assumptions, it gets you in trouble with women, that I promise.

    Do you think everyone is angry? Do you think everyone is out to get you? Chill out. If I were angry I'd either ignore you, or ban you if there were a reason.

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    I feel sorry for you...all you can do is correct my spelling after you attack me...wow get some help.

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    Pirate Im glad you have started with small amounts and a short cycle...My advice is inject in you're gluts or quads...esp if it hurts for 1 week in you're bicep.Site injections are only good right before a bodybuilding comp.

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    Nobody attacked you, if anyone should feel sorry its me for your being so timid. I imagine that must hamper your lifestyle.

    Like I said elsewhere, chill out. This is a message board, everyone is free to give an honest opinion here. Nobody is attacking you just because we dont agree with you, GET OVER IT.

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    If there is injection pain on one side but much less on the other, then your specific target on that muscle needs to change or you need to just not shoot there at all. Spot injections dont work with long ester gear, many believe esterless gear will work but since you aren't doing that I wouldn't bother doing bicep shots. I've never done a bicep shot in my life, there is no reason for me to do so.

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    Pirate Im sorry this person has to attack posts and not give any advice...Study up and do what you think is best.

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