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    Vietnam

    has anyone here fought in Vietnam and have stories? Just intrested
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    if albob shows up I'm sure he can fill you in on Vietnam as well as several other historic wars he's experienced: Civil War, Revolutionary War, Prehistoric War...

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    lol, poor Albob. seriously tho, i find most people who were actually involved in combat in vietnam don't talk about it much. i only know one person who has told me stuff about being there. he was telling me his unit was walking down a grassy bank and a tree branch came down and hit him in the head. he didn't know what happened he just heard a loud noise and thought he'd been shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primus_122
    has anyone here fought in Vietnam and have stories? Just intrested
    I would guess that the majority of members here are too young except for a few old farts like Albob.


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    I had just gotten back from the jungle and was resting in my hotel room in Saigon when I got yanked from my room at gunpoint. It seems Colonel Walter E. Kurtz had gone mad and was murdering Vietnamese intelligence agents. Men he believed were double agents. So he'd taken matters into his own hands. My job was to go up the Nung River into Cambodia and kill him with extreme predjudice......
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    eyes of tranquilty, crystalline-beads
    no sign of despair in their hair, nor their hearts
    but oh they have yet to be experienced and that makes aging so very worth it...ML circa2012

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    "I was going to the worst place in the world, and I didn't even know
    it yet. Weeks away and hundreds of miles up a river that snaked
    through the war like a main circuit cable and plugged straight into
    Kurtz. It was no accident that I got to be the caretaker of Colonel
    Walter E. Kurtz's memory, any more than being back in Saigon
    was an accident. There is no way to tell his story without telling
    my own. And if his story is really a confession, then so is mine."




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    "Well, you see Willard... In this war, things get confused
    out there, power, ideals, the old morality, and practical
    military necessity. Out there with these natives it must be
    a temptation to be god. Because there's a conflict in
    every human heart between the rational and the irrational,
    between good and evil. The good does not always triumph.
    Sometimes the dark side overcomes what Lincoln called
    the better angels of our nature. Every man has got a
    breaking point. You and I have. Walter Kurtz has reached his.
    And very obviously, he has gone insane."

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    Rainy Days

    by Amando Alvarez



    I stare out the window,

    And see a wake,

    Never foreward past the bow.



    Dog asleep by the fire, carefree.

    Tired, oblivious to me.



    And I sit and listen,

    Worn and tired,

    To the same old songs

    Of long ago, by the fire.



    I see the beach in Vietnam,

    Shells that pierced the day.

    War days filled with fright,

    Fires flaming in the night.



    And endless dusty rows

    Of farms in Idaho…



    Wonder where I’ve been,

    Where I’ve gone.

    What I’ve seen.



    Was it worth the sacrifice?

    What accomplished,

    At what price?



    Back I limp again;

    I raise my book,

    To where I’d been.



    But my mind struggles;

    From pages to the window,

    To the pouring rain

    And misty fog again.



    And cold days of the present

    Confuse my past now spent.



    And I keep thinking,

    Wondering where it’s gone.

    Where my friends from Vietnam?

    Thinking, forever thinking.



    Dog fidgety and still sleeping.

    And the noise of nature

    On the roof, splitter splattering.



    Cold, ever so cold,

    No one here,

    No one there.



    Back to the couch again;

    I raise my book once more.



    Once more I try;

    Try as try I can;

    But the never-ending why’s

    Put me in a trance

    With fading, fading sighs.



    And sleep takes hold;

    I close my eyes.



    Back to nature,

    To the wake,

    To good times past

    Of better days,

    Gone so fast.



    Cold, cold, as night takes hold….



    Copyright 2002, Amando Alvarez, All Rights Reserved


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    "A soldier, you see, does not fight for duty, honor, or country. He fights for his life, and those of his friends. As a twenty-one year old aircraft commander in the company, I had learned that in spades. Today's mission was to fly to various infantry fire bases, collect American infantry troops, convey them to remote landing zones selected by their commanders, have them do battle with the enemy if they could find him, and return them, at length, to the relative safety of their home fire bases. Eagle flights, they called them. Many, many of these missions consisted of twelve hours of tedium since most of the time we didn't know where Charlie was. Sometimes we stumbled on him, and there was hell to pay on one side or the other, or both, but not often enough to win any war. I've chosen, though, to tell you about a slow day in the business of war making, but perhaps a day of significance."

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion
    Colonel Walter E. Kurtz
    The Col. Kurtz character was based on a real human being, although the story was embellished in Joseph Conrad's "Heart of Darkness."

    I live in Saigon.

    I talk with veterans. I have learned a lot about Vietnam since living here. One thing people need to realise, is how little we know about this culture, history, and motivations for conflicts from 1954 to 1975.

    The American "experts" misinterpreted many things in this conflict.

    I am happy living in Vietnam as an American. I have been here almost 3 years.
    It's an accurate statement that our current spending will not be increasing the debt We've stopped spending money that we don't have.

    -- Jack Lew, then director of the Office of Management and Budget, in Feb. 16, 2011 testimony before the Senate Budget Committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cappo5150
    Do they love you long time?
    It is a part of the culture.
    It's an accurate statement that our current spending will not be increasing the debt We've stopped spending money that we don't have.

    -- Jack Lew, then director of the Office of Management and Budget, in Feb. 16, 2011 testimony before the Senate Budget Committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockgazer69
    There are some very good books. If anyone wants me to list some title, let me know. I suppose Amazon.com will have them.

    Note that personal websites and personal memoirs offer a truly "individualistic" reflection and in many ways you can't learn a lot from reading them.

    I do read them however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu
    The Col. Kurtz character was based on a real human being, although the story was embellished in Joseph Conrad's "Heart of Darkness."

    I live in Saigon.

    I talk with veterans. I have learned a lot about Vietnam since living here. One thing people need to realise, is how little we know about this culture, history, and motivations for conflicts from 1954 to 1975.

    The American "experts" misinterpreted many things in this conflict.

    I am happy living in Vietnam as an American. I have been here almost 3 years.
    Joseph Conrad died in 1924, so I don't get how you think his book had anything to do with the Vietnam war. The Heart of darkness is about Marlow and company,English men traveling the Thames in Africa, Kurtz was a fictional character ect.....read it because I wont spend anymore time correcting you're bullsh1t name dropping of English literature. You have not read it, and if you did it was over you're head because you're post was about 75 years off....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForemanRules
    Joseph Conrad died in 1924, so I don't get how you think his book had anything to do with the Vietnam war.
    The book didn't have anything to do with the Vietnam war, but Kurtz (character in Apacolypse now) was taking from Conrad's book. The character was however, also taken from a real person who is still alive, today.

    You have not read it.
    I know I haven't read it. The first chapter bored me.

    I was talking about the Kurtz Character, Apocalypse now, and Joseph Conrad's book.

    I don't drop English literature. I don't read it. I only read non-fiction.
    It's an accurate statement that our current spending will not be increasing the debt We've stopped spending money that we don't have.

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    To: Foreman Rules: You didn't learn much in school studying English Literature did you?

    Heart of Darkness & Apocalypse Now:
    A comparative analysis of novella and film.

    In the opening scenes of the documentary film "Hearts of Darkness-A Filmmaker's Apocalypse," Eleanor Coppola describes her husband Francis's film, "Apocalypse Now," as being "loosely based" on Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness.

    As to the character of Kurtz, it is worth noting that while significant discrepancies exist between the depictions of Conrad and Coppola, the basic nature of the man remains fairly similar. The idea of company man turned savage, of a brilliant and successful team-player, being groomed by "the Company" for greater things, suddenly gone native, is perfectly realized in both novella and film. In the film, Kurtz is portrayed by Marlon Brando, the father of American method actors, who lends weight (both physically and dramatically) to the figure of the megalomaniacal Kurtz. Brando's massive girth is all the more ironic for those familiar with Heart of Darkness who recall Conrad's description: "I could see the cage of his ribs all astir, the bones of his arms waving. It was as though an animated image of death carved out of old ivory had been shaking its hand with menaces at a motionless crowd of men..." [1]. One could speculate that Coppola's Kurtz is a graphic analogy of the bloated American war machine dominating and perverting the innocent montegnards of Cambodia; however, after viewing Eleanor Coppola's documentary, one finds that the casting was more based on a combination of Coppola's wanting to work with Brando (remember "The Godfather") and Brando's own weight problem

    Link: http://www.cyberpat.com/essays/coppola.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu
    To: Foreman Rules: You didn't learn much in school studying English Literature did you?

    Heart of Darkness & Apocalypse Now:
    A comparative analysis of novella and film.

    In the opening scenes of the documentary film "Hearts of Darkness-A Filmmaker's Apocalypse," Eleanor Coppola describes her husband Francis's film, "Apocalypse Now," as being "loosely based" on Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness.

    As to the character of Kurtz, it is worth noting that while significant discrepancies exist between the depictions of Conrad and Coppola, the basic nature of the man remains fairly similar. The idea of company man turned savage, of a brilliant and successful team-player, being groomed by "the Company" for greater things, suddenly gone native, is perfectly realized in both novella and film. In the film, Kurtz is portrayed by Marlon Brando, the father of American method actors, who lends weight (both physically and dramatically) to the figure of the megalomaniacal Kurtz. Brando's massive girth is all the more ironic for those familiar with Heart of Darkness who recall Conrad's description: "I could see the cage of his ribs all astir, the bones of his arms waving. It was as though an animated image of death carved out of old ivory had been shaking its hand with menaces at a motionless crowd of men..." [1]. One could speculate that Coppola's Kurtz is a graphic analogy of the bloated American war machine dominating and perverting the innocent montegnards of Cambodia; however, after viewing Eleanor Coppola's documentary, one finds that the casting was more based on a combination of Coppola's wanting to work with Brando (remember "The Godfather") and Brando's own weight problem

    Link: http://www.cyberpat.com/essays/coppola.html


    Read the book and watched the movie; to an uneducated eye there are some similarities. The bottom line is some Hollywood hack is trying to make his screen play look good because 2% is based on a classic book.....very sad attempt to justify bullsh1t you read in the Hollywood insider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForemanRules
    Read the book and watched the movie; to an uneducated eye there are some similarities. The bottom line is some Hollywood hack is trying to make his screen play look good because 2% is based on a classic book.....very sad attempt to justify bullsh1t you read in the Hollywood insider.
    Agreed.

    And, to say again, I was referring to Kurtz.

    Sorry if I offended you, or implied that I read the book.
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