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Time to face the jury (and myself)

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11/21-Legs with PT

warmup:
1/8 mile walk, 1/4 mile jog

Squats with LifeFitness machine:
50 x 15 (left knee said these were not happening so completely altered workout)

Hammer Strength Leg extensions:
20 x 15, 15, 15, 15

Hammer Strength Leg curls
35 x 15, 15 ,15, 15

Adductor:
70 x 15, 15, 15
80 x 15

Abductor:
90 x 15, 15, 15 ,15

Cardio: 30 minutes on recumbant bike Level 3

My left knee has been bothering me for a few weeks and each leg day it getting worse. Today with only 50lb on the squat machine, my knee was almost screaming in pain so trainer opted to try and eliminate knees. We did the extensions with low weight to hit quads but be easy on the knee. It is looking like squats are going to be out until I can get the knee rested enough and then build it back up. So for the time being it will be lunges, leg presses and step ups for quads. With that said, workout overall was good.
 
thought about seeig a doc about it? maybe something is rubbing..that shouldn't be?...like bones?
 
Boilermaker-it aches a little bit when I am on the bike for longer than 15-20 minutes but not nearly as bad as when trying to squat weight.

Burner- yeah I have thought about it and well I'm not real fond of going to doctors. The last time I had it checked, it was referred to something like a floating knee cap. One doc said to focus on strengthing the lower end of the quad, directly above the knee. Another said the problem is with tendons, ligaments and cartlage that hold the knee cap in place are weak from being overworked. I think it both. The quad needs to be strenghened, but I probably was hitting it too hard too fast. My left knee cap does "float" a bit too much which not helping matters. So I will back off the weight and build back up slowly. Maybe even start taking joint supplements.
 
Devlin said:
Burner- yeah I have thought about it and well I'm not real fond of going to doctors.
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Be careful there Dev...I think you dripped a little irony on the floor....
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Listen to your knees. If it hurst that much in the joint, don't do it.
 
Ok maybe I should rephrase :hmmm: If it something I can treat myself with rest, advil/naproxen or wrapping/bandage I do that. I am one of those that has to be half dead before I do to the doctor. ;)

I so love being able use the high speed connection at work to sneak on here and listen to internet radio. :evil:
 
Pylon said:
Listen to your knees. If it hurst that much smoke a joint , just do it.
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for medicinal purposes?
:D
remember: puff, puff..pass....
(heard that in a movie..)


But seriously, maybe see a specialist? Maybe a knee brace will do he trick to keep them in place? Either way, do be careful.
 
A specialist :shake:

I will probably break down and start using a brace. However, first I am going to back the weight down on legs and then resort to a brace. Pretty much knee telling me I have worked it way too hard. Not too much to worry about, but thanks guys.

I should mention that I am one that even when I fractured my ankle I didn't go to a doc. I just put a soft cast on it and didnt work legs for a few weeks.
 
u are hard core!
did u have a bad experience w/ a doc once?
 
I had been sick alot as a child and spent lots of time in docs offices and hospital. However, I worked in a human hospital for 8 years as a medical technologist and resident vampire. After that I became one of the worst patients and avoid docs as much as possible. Plus why spend all that money when I can perform the same treatment as the docs.
 
IML Gear Cream!
u were a vampire?
(how about that..thru all that post..this is what I zoned in on..)
muhahahahaaa....
:D
well, if u have an idea of what u are doing then....
 
Burner02 said:
u were a vampire?
(how about that..thru all that post..this is what I zoned in on..)
muhahahahaaa....
:D
well, if u have an idea of what u are doing then....
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Well I worked grave yard shift and collected blood samples. pretty close to the definition of a vampire. :evil:
 
I used to work mid shifts up till recently...now I am a normal, mon - fri 0730 - 1630 worker! (WAHOO!)
 
Great lookin w/o, be careful with that knee!!!
 
Burner-I did midnight shift full time for 6 years and started to get tired of no life. Now I'm currently on a normal shift 8-5, but that will change in Jan to 6am-6pm or later and by march I will be at work by 530am and probably will not get done until 7pm or later. Ohh well, atleast I get paid hourly :D

Archangel-Thanks. I will be careful with the knee. I'm backing off the weight and will play with cardio a bit to see what works and what doesn't. I will still work legs, but will do a combo to strengthen the knee and build muscle.

Over all, knee felt fine today and just the smallest of aches in the hamstrings. Decided to hit shoulders and "some" cardio.

Shoulders:

Shoulder press machine:
30 x 15

Dumbbell shoulder press:
10 x 15, 15, 15

Side raises:
8 x 15, 15, 15

Front raises:
8 x 15, 15, 15

Bent over rear raises:
8x 15, 15, 15

Cardio: (total 1 hour)
Stairmaster: 20 minutes Level 4
Treadmill: 20 minutes 10-15% incline 2.5-3.0 speed
Bike: 20 minutes Level 2

Started doing shoulders on the shoulder press machine and was quickly reminded that I prefer the shoulder press with dumbbells so went for that. I really feel the dumbbell shoulder press and the last reps are tough. I will be sticking with the 8lbs on raises as last reps are difficult. I am considered changing the shoulder exercises a bit for next week, we will see what I come up with. Suggestions will be considered so feel free to toss in ideas. Now for the cardio, nether the stairmaster nor the treadmill bothered my knee, but the bike did when I tried level 3 and above. So I backed the level down and felt no aches or tightness in the knee.
 
Hey Devlin,

Somewhere I read a post by P-funk where he said that if you have an injured knee you could still train the other leg hard and get a crossover effect. I don't know if that's true and I wouldn't want you to end up with a peg leg on one side and a construction barrel for the other, but maybe it's worth considering.
 
boilermaker said:
Hey Devlin,

Somewhere I read a post by P-funk where he said that if you have an injured knee you could still train the other leg hard and get a crossover effect. I don't know if that's true and I wouldn't want you to end up with a peg leg on one side and a construction barrel for the other, but maybe it's worth considering.
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I may end up doing something like that, train the right with higher weight than the left. Another thing that I will be changing is that I will be working legs on my own and work upper body with trainer. That alone may make a difference with my knee.
 
Studies have shown that unlike arms, there does not seem to be a difference in unilateral strenght in legs. (Your dominant arm will be stronger, but not the leg.) I think that may have been there Patrick's crossover effect comes from, but that's just a guess.

As for shoulders, I still like side laterals and mil presses.
 
I can't offer any advice on the knee since I've never had any significant knee problems. But good luck finding out what's wrong and avoiding it in the future.
 
IML Gear Cream!
Triple-Thanks.

My knee overall not that bad except for when I do squats and then it bothers me. The cold, damp weather is not helping any of my old injuries either. I noticed last night there is some slight localized swelling in my knee so leaning more towards soft tissue issues versus bone on bone issues. What can I do for it.. rest, advil/naproxen, joint supplements with MSM may help too. The "injury" too old for ice so heat therapy should also help which is what I did last night and it felt better today. The last time this happened I did the above and backed off weights and it improved so it just my body telling me to back off, hopefully.
 
Great w/o, have a GREAT Thanksgiving too!!!
 
Boilermaker & Archangel- Thanks and same to you.

I worked extra hours today in order to get caught up and be able to take tomorrow off. I did a quick ab workout after work.

Abs:

crunches:
20 x 20
30 x 15
40 x 15

Side Bends:
15 x 15
25 x 15
30 x 15

Weights Twists on ball:
3* 10lb x 15

Hanging Knee raises:
15, 15, 15

Abs were feeling this workout :thumb: Skipped cardio today, but will be hitting cardio tomorrow as well as back. Yes, I plan to go to the gym on the holiday.
 
Good for you, planning to goto the gym on a holiday. I do as well. Also, rock on with the cardio. I could never make myself do 60 minutes of solid state cardio again!
 
CowPimp said:
Good for you, planning to goto the gym on a holiday. I do as well. Also, rock on with the cardio. I could never make myself do 60 minutes of solid state cardio again!
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:hello: Cowpimp. I'm happy to see you in here. Also nice to see I'm not the only one who celebrates part of the holiday in the gym.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Back day :banana:

Hammer Strength low row with underhanded grip:
25 x 15
35 x 12
40 x 10

Wide Grip Lat pull down:
55 x 15
70 x 12

Close grip lat pull down:
85 x 8

Under handed pull down:
55 x 15
70 x 12
85 x 6

Lat cable row:
40 x 15
55 x 15
70 x 15
85 x 10

Tricep rope push down:
20 x 12
25 x 8 :grumble:
10 x 15 (30lb not happening today :grumble: )

Overhead tricep extension:
20 x 12
25 x 8 :grumble:
10 x 15 (30 lb not happening here either :grumble: )

Bent Over Dumbbell row:
15 x 15
20 x 15
25 x 15

Cardio:
Recumbant bike: 30 minutes Level 3
Treadmill: 20 minutes 10-15% incline 2.5-3.0 speed
1/4 mile walk followed by
1/4 mile jog (timed about 3 minutes)
1/8 mile walk followed by
1/4 mile jog (timed about 2:15 minutes :thumb: )

Finished with....

Assited pullups:
60lb off set x 12
50lb off set x 6
40 lb off set x 3 :grumble:

Dips:
BW x 6 :clapping:
BW x 6 :banana:
BW x 6 :banana: :rocker:

Fantastic workout today overall. I switched from wide grip lat pull downs to a close grip lat pull down on last set because biceps killing since I supersetted the wide grip lat pull down with the underhanded pull downs. I used a different cable station for the triceps and the weight feeling heavier at this station, but I am feeling it so will stick with it. After the bent over rows, my arms were throbbing so decided to break and knock out cario before pullups and dips. I'm really happy with the jogging. Less recovery time between jogging and not getting as winded with the jogging :thumb: Finished myself off with the pullups and dips. Pullups still slacking on, but arms were pretty dead after today's workout. I decided to say screw it and try dips with my full body weight and I was thrilled to be able to do not only one but 6 per set. I probably could have gone for higher reps, but as arms were tired played it safe. Now time to make stuffing and get the turkey in the oven.
 
Great w/o Dev! Most people (myslef included) skipped completely, and there you were kicking ass again. Well done! :thumbs:
 
Pylon-Thanks. Figured I didn't have much else planned so may as well get a nice workout it, especially if I was going to pig out. PLus I hit the gym tonight too ;)

Cardio:
Stairmaster: 20 minutes
5 minutes level 4
5 minutes level 5
5 minutes level 6
5 minutes level 5

Walk/Jog on track: about 15 minutes
1/8 mile walk
1/4 mile jog (about 3 minute pace)
1/8 mile walk
1/4 mile jog (about 2 1/2 minute pace)
1/8 mile walk
1/4 mile jog (about 2-2:15 minute pace) :thumb:
1/8 mile walk

Total workout about 40 minutes

Short and sweet cardio only day. Really happy with how the jogging is coming along. It is getting easier and easier so looks like jogging sticking around.
 
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