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ForemanRules said:Have read some training theorys about the CNS and training to failure. The basic idea of it is train to failure every set for about 6-7 weeks then take 2 weeks off form all training. Just wondered what you all thouight about this basic idea.
Just wondered what you all thouight about this basic idea.The13ig13adWolf said:what are the benefits of this? IMO training to failure is overrated and unnecessary.
No, it is just the basic idea of several training programs I have read in the last few weeks.Dale Mabry said:Do you have a link?
Most exercises are compound movements....about 95%.Dale Mabry said:Well, you should definitely take a week off every 4-6 weeks, but active recovery is better.
I don't train to failure on every set, but I do for all compound movements.
ForemanRules said:Just wondered what you all thouight about this basic idea.
Um okThe13ig13adWolf said:i saw that part, no need to bold it. if you've read some theories about it then there should have been benefits listed as well, no? i am wondering what those theoretical benefits are.
or not...ForemanRules said:Um ok
ForemanRules said:True story
Nice answer....why the hell didnt they make you a mod???CowPimp said:I don't think taking 2 weeks off is the best idea. Some level of detraining could occur at that point. I think implementing a form of periodization for your level of fatigue would make more sense:
Week A: Acclimation/Recovery - Lower volume and stop well short of failure
Week B: Maintenance - Bring volume back up and stop just short of failure
Week C: Overload - Increase volume slightly and achieve total failure on all sets
Something like that. Obviously more detail than that would be required for a successful program. The point here is that you during your active recovery weeks you should be recovering fully without any detraining taking place.
CowPimp said:I don't think taking 2 weeks off is the best idea. Some level of detraining could occur at that point. I think implementing a form of periodization for your level of fatigue would make more sense:
Week A: Acclimation/Recovery - Lower volume and stop well short of failure
Week B: Maintenance - Bring volume back up and stop just short of failure
Week C: Overload - Increase volume slightly and achieve total failure on all sets
Something like that. Obviously more detail than that would be required for a successful program. The point here is that you during your active recovery weeks you should be recovering fully without any detraining taking place.
ForemanRules said:Have read some training theorys about the CNS and training to failure. The basic idea of it is train to failure every set for about 6-7 weeks then take 2 weeks off form all training. Just wondered what you all thouight about this basic idea.
It's around 4 sets per muscle 2x every 8 days.GymJamo said:I agree with a planned regime where you increase volume/intensity then go in a maintenance phase for a few weeks, but 6 weeks of all sets to failure is overkill and not needed unless you have very low volume.
Dale Mabry said:I don't follow this. So you are essentially saying don't train to failure all the time, just periodize relative intensity, or are you recommending to do it, then use weeks A, B, C as unloading weeks?
ForemanRules said:It's around 4 sets per muscle 2x every 8 days.
GymJamo said:I would say that is right on the limit for a drug free trainee if your talking real faliure.
2x a week is a good thing as the muscles will be fine with recovery BUT your risking CNS overtraining, personally I would do 5-6 sets 2x per 7-8 days changing a variable (exercise/reps etc) on each chest/back etc workout and going 1-2-3 reps shy of true failure for a stable routine and cycle intensity/volume with planned training cycles with a goal to hit PR`s.
The only thing with training 2x a week and including "failure" sets is that every time you workout chest,arms,back or whatever the CNS gets hit global (i.e. train your back CNS gets hit train your arms CNS gets hit) while muscles fiber damage can be localized the CNS cannot.
So I would be care full when making a 2x per week slit which is to "failure" every workout, meaning that it would be better to group many bodyparts together i.e. upper/lower and train 3/4 times a week then train a split where your in the gym 6 days a week dest destroying your CNS.
How many days you in the gym a week on that routine?