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    So what do you haters think....?????

    So what do you haters think....????? Not that I care but I get a kick out of 3% of your posts the other 97% suck and are boring.


    House Bill HR 5152 Proposed to Grant Social Security Rights to Same-Sex Couples

    Last week, Congressman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) introduced new legislation that would amend the Social Security Act to grant same-sex couples the same benefits, responsibilities, and obligations as legally married couples who pay into Social Security.

    According to The Advocate newsmagazine, "The Equal Access to Social Security Act, H.R. 5152, would add the term 'permanent partner' to the Social Security Act in addition to the terms 'husband' and 'wife,' which are already present in the legal code."


    The Advocate continues, "Under H.R. 5152, children of same-sex couples would be able to collect survivor benefits in the event of a parent's death, just as children of federally recognized married couples may do. Recognizing that the elderly often face difficulty maintaining their standard of living after a partner dies, the bill would also entitle elderly same-sex couples to the survivor benefits offered by Social Security to heterosexual widows and widowers. "

    Congressman Nadler said in an April 10, 2006 press release, "Same-sex couples are denied more than 1,000 federal benefits that other taxpayers are entitled to. The Equal Access to Social Security Act addresses this inequity. Ultimately, the only way same-sex couples will be treated equally is when they are allowed to marry – but until that can be a reality for the millions of same-sex couples in this country, we should act to make federal law fair to all....
    "I’ve heard many conservatives say that other than the case of marriage, they don’t want to discriminate against the LGBT community. If they truly don’t want to discriminate, here is their chance to prove it...."


    The proposed legislation has already attracted 17 co-sponsors in the House: Representatives Tammy Baldwin, Howard Berman, John Conyers, Joseph Crowley, Rahm Emanuel, Sam Farr, Barney Frank, Raúl Grijalva, Patrick Kennedy, Barbara Lee, Carolyn Maloney, Jim McDermott, George Miller, Charles Rangel, Pete Stark, Henry Waxman, and Lynn Woolsey.
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    The solution is simple...

    Dissolve Social Security.
    NEVER write a check with your mouth that you can't cash with your ASS!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForemanRules
    So what do you haters think....????? Not that I care but I get a kick out of 3% of your posts the other 97% suck and are boring.


    House Bill HR 5152 Proposed to Grant Social Security Rights to Same-Sex Couples


    "I’ve heard many conservatives say that other than the case of marriage, they don’t want to discriminate against the LGBT community. If they truly don’t want to discriminate, here is their chance to prove it...."


    That'll be the day. . ."conservatives" thrive on persecuting others. And when that doesn't work, they persecute each other. It's all one giant wingnut S/M fantasy gone wild.

    One of their latest pronouncements is that all condoms and other contraceptives should be kept under lock and key and customers made to ask a pharmacist or store manager directly for the product. . .ahhh...it won't be too long before they pass those laws requiring a sex permit and won't issue one until marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbm8795


    That'll be the day. . ."conservatives" thrive on persecuting others. And when that doesn't work, they persecute each other. It's all one giant wingnut S/M fantasy gone wild.

    One of their latest pronouncements is that all condoms and other contraceptives should be kept under lock and key and customers made to ask a pharmacist or store manager directly for the product. . .ahhh...it won't be too long before they pass those laws requiring a sex permit and won't issue one until marriage.

    Vote Republican. They'll tell ya how to run your family.

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    Oh, I think Americans understand that the one thing conservatives hate the most is the idea of spending American tax money on Americans. . .in America.


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    I saw the controversy over the White House easter egg hunt...where gay couples are busting their asses to get tickets to attend. The White House stance is "all families are invited."

    How hypocritical is that? Bush and the Republicans go out of their way to bash gays and now 'all families are invited.' Gay marriage really energized the bigoted section of the republican base to vote this past national election.

    These bigots--with the President at the forefront--want to amend the US constitution to ensure that gays can never marry and remain second class citizens. The US constitution guarantees a US citizen's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Seems fairly clear to me.

    But that's not good enough for some people. Some people only really feel alive when they have their foot on the throat of another. Believe me, these patriots would still be in the separate but equal camp if the civil rights movement died back in the 1950s.

    Granting the right of marriage to gays would clear up all this 'back-door' political maneuvering (SS benefits to gay couples) to get to the same goal of equal rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witmaster
    The solution is simple...

    Dissolve Social Security.
    And Marriage (as a legal entity)!

    If you want bennies for a "partner", whatever the sex... You pay!

    Same with bennies for dependants... You want, you pay!

    And give me my $4k every year dang'it, I won't get it back
    as social security anyhow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbm8795


    That'll be the day. . ."conservatives" thrive on persecuting others. And when that doesn't work, they persecute each other. It's all one giant wingnut S/M fantasy gone wild.

    One of their latest pronouncements is that all condoms and other contraceptives should be kept under lock and key and customers made to ask a pharmacist or store manager directly for the product. . .ahhh...it won't be too long before they pass those laws requiring a sex permit and won't issue one until marriage.

    Vote Republican. They'll tell ya how to run your family.
    Why would they tell kids to use contraceptives, then limit them. This is rediculous. TEENAGERS HAVE SEX. They might as well accept it and try to cut the consequences from it, rather than attempting to supress hormones and naive thought of love. I really wouldn't be surprised if they did issue a sex permit. Lol.

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    mar·riage
    Pronunciation: 'mar-ij
    Function: noun
    1 : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a legal, consensual, and contractual relationship recognized and sanctioned by and dissolvable only by law —see also DIVORCE
    2 : the ceremony containing certain legal formalities by which a marriage relationship is created

    There's the dictionary definition. Gay's can't get married, so stop calling it "marriage." Call it "gay handcuffing." I agree that social security is a joke for more reasons than I have time to type. And I also agree that marriage should probably just be recognized as a religious thing and not a legal one. Don't give anyone special benefits. I love the quote earlier though about trying to keep gays as "second class citizens" by not letting them marry. Are all single people second class citizens then? I think not. Read the "True Story #3 thread" for more info. This bill is pathetic, but so is social security, republicans, democrats, the white house easter egg hunt, and the premise for the entire debate. If you're gay, it's not marriage, just get your own word and then we'll work on your rights, but believe the heterosexuals, marriage usually sucks..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCfootball87
    mar·riage
    Pronunciation: 'mar-ij
    Function: noun
    1 : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a legal, consensual, and contractual relationship recognized and sanctioned by and dissolvable only by law —see also DIVORCE
    2 : the ceremony containing certain legal formalities by which a marriage relationship is created

    There's the dictionary definition. Gay's can't get married, so stop calling it "marriage." Call it "gay handcuffing." I agree that social security is a joke for more reasons than I have time to type. And I also agree that marriage should probably just be recognized as a religious thing and not a legal one. Don't give anyone special benefits. I love the quote earlier though about trying to keep gays as "second class citizens" by not letting them marry. Are all single people second class citizens then? I think not. Read the "True Story #3 thread" for more info. This bill is pathetic, but so is social security, republicans, democrats, the white house easter egg hunt, and the premise for the entire debate. If you're gay, it's not marriage, just get your own word and then we'll work on your rights, but believe the heterosexuals, marriage usually sucks..........
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    OK, time to throw a monkey wrench into the works...................I agree with you.

    Well, partly.


    Marriage is a religious institution. Invented by the Catholics I believe. Therefore it should have no bearing on Social Security benefits. Marriage should be decided by the church. Social Security bennies should be decided by the government. Kind of makes me wonder why the Establishment Clause crowd hasn't tackled this issue yet.
    Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

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    February 26, 2005

    Gay Marriage: Ideology of Evil

    Did you realize that efforts to legalize gay marriage are part of a new "ideology of evil"? That's the judgment of Pope John Paul II in his most recent book. Apparently it isn't enough to categorize it with the "culture of death," so a new rhetorical phrase had to be found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCfootball87
    mar·riage
    Pronunciation: 'mar-ij
    Function: noun
    1 : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a legal, consensual, and contractual relationship recognized and sanctioned by and dissolvable only by law —see also DIVORCE
    2 : the ceremony containing certain legal formalities by which a marriage relationship is created

    There's the dictionary definition. Gay's can't get married, so stop calling it "marriage." Call it "gay handcuffing." I agree that social security is a joke for more reasons than I have time to type. And I also agree that marriage should probably just be recognized as a religious thing and not a legal one. Don't give anyone special benefits. I love the quote earlier though about trying to keep gays as "second class citizens" by not letting them marry. Are all single people second class citizens then? I think not. Read the "True Story #3 thread" for more info. This bill is pathetic, but so is social security, republicans, democrats, the white house easter egg hunt, and the premise for the entire debate. If you're gay, it's not marriage, just get your own word and then we'll work on your rights, but believe the heterosexuals, marriage usually sucks..........
    Read the rest of your dictionary definition. Marriage is a legal fiction (any religious connotation is pure ceremony) that gives rise to some benefits in this country. One of which is tied to Social Security (esp. death benefits). Social Security is not 'pathetic' and our society is much better for it.

    The qualitative measure of fundamental constitutional rights in this country is the equal application of those rights to all Americans. Single americans of the opposite sex can marry and enjoy the benefits of marriage. Single gay americans are denied that right by the bigots in Washington. Your argument that the opposite of married is single therefore misses the mark entirely. The issue involves fundamental constitutional rights of americans and gay americans are being treated as second-class citizens.

    Marriage can suck but, like life, it's what you make of it.

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    Marriage predates Christianity and is found in various cultures around the world that don't even have Christian, Jewish or Muslim influence. The Romans invented the engagement ring.

    But tas the Bible says:"Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women."(Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5.)
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