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    What is Global Warming?

    The Earth as an ecosystem is changing, attributable in great part to the effects of globalization and man. More carbon dioxide is now in the atmosphere than has been in the past 650,000 years. This carbon stays in the atmosphere, acts like a warm blanket, and holds in the heat — hence the name ‘global warming.’
    The reason we exist on this planet is because the earth naturally traps just enough heat in the atmosphere to keep the temperature within a very narrow range - this creates the conditions that give us breathable air, clean water, and the weather we depend on to survive. Human beings have begun to tip that balance. We've overloaded the atmosphere with heat-trapping gasses from our cars and factories and power plants. If we don't start fixing the problem now, we’re in for devastating changes to our environment. We will experience extreme temperatures, rises in sea levels, and storms of unimaginable destructive fury. Recently, alarming events that are consistent with scientific predictions about the effects of climate change have become more and more commonplace.



    Environmental Destruction

    The massive ice sheets in the Arctic are melting at alarming rates. This is causing the oceans to rise. That’s how big these ice sheets are! Most of the world’s population lives on or near the coasts. Rising ocean levels, an estimated six feet over the next 100 years or sooner, will cause massive devastation and economic catastrophe to population centers worldwide.
    The United States, with only four percent of the world’s population, is responsible for 22% of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions. A rapid transition to energy efficiency and renewable energy sources will combat global warming, protect human health, create new jobs, protect habitat and wildlife, and ensure a secure, affordable energy future.



    Health Risks

    Malaria. Dengue Fever. Encephalitis. These names are not usually heard in emergency rooms and doctors’s offices in the United States. But if we don’st act to curb global warming, they will be. As temperatures rise, disease-carrying mosquitoes and rodents spread, infecting people in their wake. Doctors at the Harvard Medical School have linked recent U.S. outbreaks of dengue (‘breakbone’s) fever, malaria, hantavirus and other diseases directly to climate change.



    Catastrophic Weather

    Super powerful hurricanes, fueled by warmer ocean temperatures are the “smoking gun” of global warming. Since 1970, the number of category 4 and 5 events has jumped sharply. Hurricane Katrina, in September 2005 almost became a category 6 event. Human activities are adding an alarming amount of pollution to the earth’s atmosphere causing catastrophic shifts in weather patterns. These shifts are causing severe heat, floods and worse.



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    Around the World, Warmer Temperatures Mean More Infections

    by: Joy Victory 25 April 2006
    April 25, 2006 - - At first glance, an outbreak of diarrhea among passengers on board a cruise ship in Alaskan waters in the summer of 2004 seemed to be relatively harmless.

    Health officials theorized it might be the Norwalk virus, a bug that often affects people living in close quarters, such as in nursing homes, hospitals and cruise ships. While certainly annoying, Norwalk usually doesn't cause
    serious illness.

    But then the lab reports started trickling in, and it showed that indeed a more serious problem was at hand -- many of the afflicted the passengers had eaten raw oysters raised in Alaska that were infected with a type of
    cholera-like bacteria, Vibrio parahaemolyticus, that normally grows on shellfish harvested in much warmer waters.

    The finding not only signaled a dangerous new risk to the Alaskan seafood industry, it also highlighted how surprisingly and directly global warming can affect human health, particularly in terms of infectious diseases, experts say.

    "Depending on the warming trend that unfolds in the years ahead, we have to accept that habitats will change ... new bugs can be expected to settle in. Every organism will find a niche," said epidemiology professor Colin Soskolne, of the University of Alberta in Canada. "With the tampering of the environment, we really can't predict with much certainty exactly what those
    changes will be."

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    Global warming is caused by an increase in carbon dioxide and other industrial and auto emissions, which trap heat in the atmosphere and
    increase air and water temperatures.

    While he has personally noticed Alaska's shrinking glaciers and ice floes, global warming wasn't on the mind of Dr. Joseph McLaughlin as he
    investigated the cruise ship disease outbreak.

    He simply wanted to know why the oysters were suddenly at risk -- before this outbreak, no seafood in Alaska had ever tested positive for Vibrio because the ocean water was simply too cold for the bacteria to multiply.

    But that was no longer true: An analysis showed that Alaskan water was no longer as chilly as it once was, giving Vibrio a new home up north.

    "There's a sort of threshold level, above which concentrations of Vibrio in oysters become (accumulated) enough to cause illness in humans," said McLaughlin, a medical epidemiologist with the Alaska Department of Health and Social Services in Anchorage. "That temperature is about 15 degrees Celsius. What we found was that 2004 was the first summer on record during which the temperature exceeded that."

    Or as McLaughlin said in a report published in the New England Journal of Medicine last October: "Rising temperatures of ocean waters seem to have contributed to one of the largest known outbreaks of V. parahaemolyticus in the United States."

    The warmer water is unlikely to go away. Buoys placed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association in 1976 have detected a steady annual
    increase of .4 degrees in the Gulf of Alaska, he said.

    "We're not talking about a little bay in Prince William Sound," McLaughlin said.

    Thankfully, the state health department got the word out about the outbreak and advised oyster farm owners to keep oysters deep enough where they would not be exposed to water any warmer than about 15 degrees C.

    It is just one of the many ways that Alaskans have had to adapt to documented changes in the climate and environment, McLaughlin said. But it
    serves as a strong warning signal.

    "We thought this was probably the best example of the potential of global warming impacting human health, as far as available evidence goes,"
    McLaughlin said.

    Mosquitoes and Ticks Spreading

    Across the world, another microscopic bug, malaria, has caused havoc in the lowlands of Africa. It is transmitted by mosquitoes, which thrive in hot, damp areas near stagnant bodies of water.

    Until recently, the mile-high city of Nairobi, Kenya, was relatively free of the disease.

    But now Nairobi, despite its elevation and climate, is in the midst of a malaria outbreak.

    And like the Alaskan bacterial outbreak, warmer temperatures are to blame, say scientists with the University of Michigan, the University of Hawaii, the University of Barcelona in Spain and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

    In their report, published in last month's Proceedings of the National Academies of Science, they determined that the mosquitoes were thriving in part because it was steadily getting warmer in East Africa's higher altitudes.

    This comes as no to surprise to public health researcher Dr. Paul Epstein, the associate director of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School and a medical doctor trained in tropical public health.

    Along with mosquito-borne diseases like malaria, yellow fever and West Nile virus, tick-borne diseases also are an increasing problem, he said.

    When winters are milder, more deer ticks produce year-round, transmitting infections such as Lyme disease and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.

    According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Lyme disease cases increased from 11,700 cases in 1995 to 21,304 cases in 2005. This year could be a bad one for diseases spread by warm weather-loving insects -- 2005 was the warmest year in the last 100 years, said NASA scientists.

    This not only causes more biting bugs to flourish, it also indirectly impacts humans' health in other ways. For example, when trees are weakened by drought, such as what's happening in pine forests from Alaska to Arizona,
    beetles eat the bark, weakening the trees even more and making them prone to wildfires, Epstein said.

    And those wildfires not only release more harmful carbon dioxide and soot into the atmosphere, they trigger another major health effect of globalwarming: asthma.

    Ragweed Loves Carbon Dioxide

    For years, doctors have noted an increase in asthma and allergies.

    While no one can link the increase directly to global warming, Epstein has strong evidence: When ragweed -- one of the most allergenic plants on the planet -- is grown in a carbon dioxide-rich environment, it grows 10 percent
    faster than normal, but produces 60 percent more pollen.

    While that's good for the plants, it's bad for people. Most people are allergic to something, and often it is plant pollen. In children especially, being exposed to an allergen can trigger a dangerous asthmatic response, or
    inflammation of the lungs.

    "As we see the seasons change and warmer weather has an earlier arrival in the spring, we're beginning to see shifts in asthma and allergies," Epstein said.

    What's worse, he said, is that the tiny dust particles emitted from diesel fuel attach to plant pollens, and these diesel particles further irritate the lining of the lung.

    Though there haven't been published studies showing that the rise in asthma cases is tied to global warming, Epstein said it is.

    "We're seeing it and we're all experiencing it," he said.
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    global warming is a load of doodoo!
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    Could it be that all those Massive Huricanes lately are sucking the warmth from the waters that would normally be flowing through this gulf stream. Maybe the Global Warming is warming and melting the Polar ice just enough to create a Swamp Cooler effect thus making the temps seem cooler in the summer. When these Swamp Cooler air currents meet up with the warmer tropical water tmeps we get these massive hurricanes. Have you noticed the rise in Humidity and rainfall lately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForemanRules
    That thread is worthless and old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieope
    I deleted that post....Jodi might see it and ban me for another day
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    Question #1) When did the current warming trend start?

    Question #2) Is this the hottest the world has ever been?


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    Due to the Swamp cooler effect critics of global warming think they have proof that there is no global warming, sad thing is that they don't look at the fact that glaciers around the world have shrunk in size drastically over the past century.
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    In a geological timescale, we have been on earth such a short time that we can't even begin to blame "global warming" on green house gasses and such. Even if the earth is warming, it may just be a normal cycle that the earth goes through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion
    Due to the Swamp cooler effect critics of global warming think they have proof that there is no global warming, sad thing is that they don't look at the fact that glaciers around the world have shrunk in size drastically over the past century.
    Care to answer my two questions?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ForemanRules
    I deleted that post....Jodi might see it and ban me for another day
    No it is fine. We are just debating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieope
    No it is fine. We are just debating.
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    An Overwhelming Consensus
    The most important fact to note when discussing the issue of global climate change is that, for the professional scientific community, the debates about whether global climate change exists and whether human activity is contributing to that change are over. The scientific consensus is now so overwhelming that the only reasonable course of action is to treat human-created global climate change as a fact, and move the debate to what to do about it.
    Of course there is still a very small group of scientists who remain skeptical about whether climate change exists and whether humans have caused it, but their number and the strength of their arguments are so insignificant that they should not be interpreted as representing the forefront of their field. The plain fact is that there always is, and always ought to be, scientific dissent about every theory that has been devised. That's how science works - through open questioning and testing of hypotheses.
    We don't want to censor the tiny number of dissenting scientists, but we do think that it's very important to place their ideas in context. The immense majority of scientific experts have concluded that the claims of these skeptics are just plain incorrect, not fitting with the huge amount of data on global climate change that has been collected.
    Scientific consensus is never a final determination of truth, and we must retain the freedom for scientists to disagree with the current consensus. However, when it comes to global climate change, the issue is what public policy-makers ought to do on a practical level. On a practical level, it's insane to wait for absolutely universal consensus before taking action. We need to work with the best information we've got, and the best information overwhelmingly points to serious, human-induced global climate change.
    As much as science works through dissent, it also works through peer review. That means that when one scientist comes up with certain findings, they need to be replicated by other scientists. The process of peer review is what enabled the scientific community to quickly debunk the popular craze about cold fusion energy technology, and it's what prevents scientists in general from simply making outlandish statements about what they believe to be true. Consistent evidence that fits with a hypothesis is necessary before that hypothesis is treated as true.
    For this reason, it is inappropriate to claim that one dissenting voice is capable of destroying a theory that has gained widespread acceptance in the scientific community. There are still people who claim that the Earth is really flat, but they can't back up their claims in a peer-reviewed process, and that's why they're not taken seriously. Creation "scientists" too, make plenty of claims, but those claims are not capable of withstanding review by other scientists, and so they are dismissed. When it comes to global climate change, there are dissenters, but they have not been able to come up with significant information that meets the standards of their peers. So, as earnest as these individuals are, we do not have any reason to trust that their ideas are reliable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieope
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    Quote Originally Posted by fufu
    Even if the earth is warming, it may just be a normal cycle that the earth goes through.
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    Common Myths Related To Global Climate Change
    The ideological opposition of Republican elites has led to the development of a series of myths about global climate change. These myths, perpetuated by Republican think tanks and pundits, are not well-founded in truth, but serve the purpose of creating the appearance of uncertainty in the minds of the voting public.


    Myth 1: Global climate change models predict warming at the poles, but this isn't taking place.
    Observable effects of global climate change are taking place all over the globe, but are especially strong at the poles and at high altitudes. "Things that normally happen in geologic time are happening during the span of a human lifetime," says Daniel Fagre, a scientist with the U.S. Geological Survey Global Change Research Program. "It's like watching the Statue of Liberty melt."
    In just the last 30 years, arctic sea ice has thinned by 10 percent. Greenland's ice sheet is rapidly shrinking. Freshwater ice breakup in the Northern Hemisphere occurs nine days earlier now than it did 150 years ago. In parts of Alaska, the thawing of what was once known as "permafrost" has caused the ground to subside more than 15 feet. Robert Pinkel a member of the Arctic Council's research team, states, "What's happening in the Arctic isn't subtle. It's happening very fast, and... it's fairly convincing that on the scale of our lifetimes very dramatic things will be happening."
    In the Antarctic, there is less data than in the Arctic. This is for the simple reason that there are fewer researchers able to gain access to the environment there. However, the data that exists suggests serious climate change is striking Antarctica. The interior of the continent has remained cool, but the continental edges have warmed dramatically, causing major ice sheets to collapse and break away from the Antarctic land mass. Additionally, the ocean around Antarctica has been strongly affected. For example, as the result of a rise in the temperature of Antarctic waters, krill populations have dropped by 80 percent over the last 25 years.


    Myth 2: Sea levels can't possibly be caused by Antarctic ice shelves breaking away, because the ice shelves are already floating.
    This preposterous idea has gained a great deal of attention in Republican circles, where political operatives are eager to grab onto any possible means through which to minimize the threat of global climate change. The idea that Republicans promote is that ice shelves float around on the water whether they are attached to a land mass or not, so it doesn't matter that huge portions of the Antarctic ice shelves are breaking away.
    Actually, recent research has shown that coastal ice shelves do impact sea level significantly. When the ice shelves remain intact and attached to a land mass, they inhibit the flow of continental glaciers into the ocean. When the ice shelves break off, the rate of glacial flow into the sea speeds up dramatically. Additionally, when ice shelves free themselves from attachment to land, they become more vulnerable to further breakup, so that the total mass, with an increased surface area, melts more quickly into the ocean. Also, free ice shelves are able to move into warmer waters, another factor that accelerates their disintegration, contributing to rising sea levels.
    Whatever Republicans like to argue about ice shelves and sea levels, the fact is that rising sea levels are an objectively observed reality. Scientists have noted an increase in sea levels for years - a fact that is related to an increase of Arctic and Antarctic melt and an increase in water temperatures.


    Myth 3: The current global warming trends are nothing more than natural repetitions of warming seen during medieval times.
    Republicans are eager to cite what they call the "Medieval Warm Period" as proof that global climate change is a purely natural event, a nothing to worry about. They claim that global temperatures in medieval times exceeded the global temperatures of today, and were the result of purely natural causes. However, the scientific review of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has strongly rejected the validity of this claim, and found that warming trends today are more dramatic than at any time in the last thousand years.
    This myth is based on a number of false premises. First of all, the increase in global temperatures during the "Medieval Warm Period" has been found in a number of peer-reviewed scientific studies to be greatly less than the warming that is taking place today. Second, this myth is based only on European weather trends in medieval times, when what really matters is global climate trends. Third, the Republicans who make claims about a "Medieval Warm Period" that supposedly dwarfs the current warming trend base their claims upon a comparison of temperatures in medieval times to temperatures during the entire 20th Century. The problem with doing so is that the comparison clumps all of the 20th Century together as if it is one moment in time with one temperature, thus treating the dramatic increase in global temperature from the beginning of the 20th Century to the end of the 20th Century as if it does not exist. Furthermore, the evidence for significant warming in Europe in medieval times is not completely clear. Republican analysts frequently confuse evidence of drought with evidence for temperature increase, and so make a leap of faith when they make their claims of a "Medieval Warm Period". The temperatures we record today are reliable figures collected directly without the need for such stretched supposition.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepper
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    Regarded as a whole, the Republican position on global climate change seems like nothing more than a retreat into a pre-scientific mode of intolerant persecution of ideas that dare to stray from the orthodoxy of the system in power. The arguments used to deny global climate change are embarrassingly similar to the arguments used to deny biological evolution or to insist that the Earth really is flat.


    In the face of scientific data, Republican anti-scientific propaganda falls apart. Global climate change is happening, and it is adversely affecting human lives now. Economies are already suffering. Food supplies are in jeopardy. Animal and plant populations are shifting, and with them, diseases are being introduced into new areas of human habitation. Deadly and expensive extreme weather events are on the increase.
    What scientists predicted 20 years ago is beginning to happen now. Research must continue, and dissent should persist as well, to ensure that the research that is conducted is competently done. However, the time when inaction could be excused by the need for more research is over.
    The threat is clear and present. Purposeful disinformation campaigns by Republicans are endangering human lives. Those who choose to do nothing about global climate change are risking the stability of civilization itself for the sake of their personal luxury.
    Our generation is being called upon to act with responsibility. We will be judged harshly by future generations if we fail to address global climate change, the greatest challenge of our time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForemanRules
    Later is Too Late
    Regarded as a whole, the Republican position on global climate change seems like nothing more than a retreat into a pre-scientific mode of intolerant persecution of ideas that dare to stray from the orthodoxy of the system in power. The arguments used to deny global climate change are embarrassingly similar to the arguments used to deny biological evolution or to insist that the Earth really is flat.


    In the face of scientific data, Republican anti-scientific propaganda falls apart. Global climate change is happening, and it is adversely affecting human lives now. Economies are already suffering. Food supplies are in jeopardy. Animal and plant populations are shifting, and with them, diseases are being introduced into new areas of human habitation. Deadly and expensive extreme weather events are on the increase.
    What scientists predicted 20 years ago is beginning to happen now. Research must continue, and dissent should persist as well, to ensure that the research that is conducted is competently done. However, the time when inaction could be excused by the need for more research is over.
    The threat is clear and present. Purposeful disinformation campaigns by Republicans are endangering human lives. Those who choose to do nothing about global climate change are risking the stability of civilization itself for the sake of their personal luxury.
    Our generation is being called upon to act with responsibility. We will be judged harshly by future generations if we fail to address global climate change, the greatest challenge of our time.
    Yeah, you are right both macro-evolution and global warming have been PROVEN by science.

    Research SHOULD continue. Maybe the earth is warming. I just think you have to consider that there are cycles of weather that far exceed the time we have been able to observe and measure changes.

    On an unrelated note, the gas prices that the democrats are bitching about and blaming the Republicans for are exactly the gas prices they have wanted all along - except via a higher gas tax. Now the free-market does the same thing and the sky is falling.

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    Couldn't the fact that the earth's tilt rotates every 26,000 years make it difficult to assume that any current trend is indicative of changes made by human behavior?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepper
    Yeah, you are right both macro-evolution and global warming have been PROVEN by science.

    Research SHOULD continue. Maybe the earth is warming. I just think you have to consider that there are cycles of weather that far exceed the time we have been able to observe and measure changes.

    On an unrelated note, the gas prices that the democrats are bitching about and blaming the Republicans for are exactly the gas prices they have wanted all along - except via a higher gas tax. Now the free-market does the same thing and the sky is falling.

    That is OT, but I had to get it off my chest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForemanRules
    That is one hell of an arguement there. You should have been an attorney. Clever graphics always help convince people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepper
    That is one hell of an arguement there. You should have been an attorney. Clever graphics always help convince people.
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    Well, the ones in your "should foreman stay" thread are worth 1,000 words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepper
    Well, the ones in your "should foreman stay" thread are worth 1,000 words.
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    my globes are warm right now ! both of em
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepper
    That is one hell of an arguement there. You should have been an attorney. Clever graphics always help convince people.


    Simply put, the current warming trend started 200,000 years ago (just a bit before the Industrial age) and this is not the warmest the planet has ever been.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS


    Simply put, the current warming trend started 200,000 years ago (just a bit before the Industrial age) and this is not the warmest the planet has ever been.
    for the professional scientific community, the debates about whether global climate change exists and whether human activity is contributing to that change are over. The scientific consensus is now so overwhelming that the only reasonable course of action is to treat human-created global climate change as a fact, and move the debate to what to do about it.


    No offence but I will take the opinion of the
    scientific community over your uneducated opinion.
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