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go ahead and waste your money, the name of that product should tell you something sonskaterdude said:its more than likely safer than steroids.
it more than likely dosent work as well.
i say buy some at $24 and give it a try. even if you gain 10lbs. in 1 month that would be a steal of a deal. like $.54 a pound!
Trouble said:Well now, there's what you know about compound biochemistry, toxicology, and functional/evolutionary molecular biology.
...and there's what I know. Anybody wanna place bets who knows more about the biochemical mechanisms at play here in this product - you, or me?
Don't jump to conclusions.
who is this trouble guy? a moderator with 420 posts? did i miss something?Trouble said:Well now, there's what you know about compound biochemistry, toxicology, and functional/evolutionary molecular biology.
...and there's what I know. Anybody wanna place bets who knows more about the biochemical mechanisms at play here in this product - you, or me?
Don't jump to conclusions.
Trouble said:Well now, there's what you know about compound biochemistry, toxicology, and functional/evolutionary molecular biology.
...and there's what I know. Anybody wanna place bets who knows more about the biochemical mechanisms at play here in this product - you, or me?
Don't jump to conclusions.
Trouble said:"most of the guys who come on this board are about to start, or are on, an AAS cycle. I'm sure all of us would appreciate it if you could share your knowledge in a way which helps people PRACTICALLY today."
No, most of the guys who visit this forum are not on, or about to start AAS. Most who visit this section of the forum may have used or are consider using AAS.
Those who read this thread are interested in alternatives...hence the thread topic.
The biochemistry and molecular biology behind these ecdysteroids is quite interesting. Do you anything about nuclear receptors? What can you tell me about androgen receptor transcriptional regulation factors? How about the toxicology of liver lipid function under supraphysiological doses of AAS, for extended periods of repetitive cycling - which pathways are affected and why, how - what are their mechanisms of regulation, and how can they be manipulated to reduce unwonted side effects? What about the purported ancillary benefits of using AAS alternatives - how do they compare with various classes of anabolic steroids and prohormones, in terms of pros and cons for their *long-term* use? How about neurohormonal perturbations by AAS? Got a clue on that angle?
What about the idea that these compounds might be excellent pct agents? Ever thought about that one? Know much about interconnection between liver, brain and muscle biochemistry and coupled tissue responses to exogenous agents? How does that tango with thyroid, adrenal, hypothalamic, pituitary and pancreatic hormones and their receptors?
A considerble chunk of your genetic material is derived from bacteria., and we aren't just talking genes. Good to know a little evolutionary molecular biology if you want to know why in the fuck an insect hormone would have an effect on mammalian cell system functional regulation.
It ties together. Its not a simple story, and this forum membership would probably get lost in the technical details of molecular biology that helps in the understanding of the action of alternative AAS options.
The science to prove it has been done / is being done. I'm not here to push these bioactive agents, nor to defend them to you. My comment was a cautionary not to discount these compounds too quickly.
My number of posts as a moderator at IM is neither relevant to the topic nor to an evaluation of my technical or practical expertise.
IF I was active in research at present, I would not be here.
kicka19 said:do yoyu think using big words makes us respect you more? talk so we understand, were not hear to be awed by your vocab
kicka19 said:do yoyu think using big words makes us respect you more? talk so we understand, were not hear to be awed by your vocab
P-funk said:I have an alternative....
try working out consitency for a few years and eat a healthy diet for fucks sake.