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Forum Security said:I get my best gains with heavy weight/sloppy form and I like it!
To be honest... this works best for me, I cannot speak for others.BraveUlysses said:Now that is the crux of what I was candidly enquiring about. Can I get better results working out this way? Or is it an individual thing?
CowPimp said:They are doing good in spite of their training methods, not because of them. Professional bodybuilding is largely about genetics, drugs, and a shitload of eating. If you want to do it naturally and maintain your health, then tighten up your form. Cheating is just your body compensating for the muscles you are intending to work with other muscles.
pengers84 said:They probably wont be able to walk by the time they're 50!
kcoleman said:Yea this is especially prominent in the movie Pumping Iron.
EsseQuamVideri said:They will be dead before 50. As for slamming the weights I agree that there are times when form has to take a back seat to moving some poundage and shocking the hell out of your muscles. I don't think you lift that way all the time because it is hard on the body but it definately works. Pros just get away with doing it more because they have better 'recovery' methods.
ForemanRules said:
Arnold is God and every rep he did was perfect.
PWGriffin said:You move more weight because you are using other muscles to assist in the lift or provide momentum...the muscles you are intending to use are not getting any more "shocked" than they would if you used good form.
I log my workouts...and I don't want to fool myself into thinking that I'm making progress when I actually just used shittier form to move more weight or get more reps than the week before. Do you??
Seanp156 said:I've noticed this as well... The geared up amature bodybuilders that train at my gym use shitty form, and slam weights a lot...
SJ69 said:I don't know about that, cheating is an accepted technique for advanced lifters/bb's. I believe there is a method to their madness. For example if I can get 6 good reps on curls, why not cheat on the last two and get 8? It's like forced reps. Of course this is only for experienced lifters who "can" cheat, or know how to cheat without hurting themselves.
Bret Favre's back up QB said "Why do I have to do it this way, and Favre doesn't (talking fundamentals)? Coach --> "Because he can, you're not Brett Favre, stick to the book."
Of course they do 'roids, but so do a million other's whom you've never heard of, it's not the roids, it's the work ethic, technique, and of course genetics.
CowPimp said:Actually, a lot of bodybuilders have poor work ethic. You have to consider the amount of juice they are sucking down.
With that said, cheat reps are a valid form of overload. It allows you to do negatives once concentric failure is reached. Nonetheless, it should be used sparingly, only with certain exercises, and have a practical limit. You want to do cheat curls, okay, but if you look like you're trying to do a backflip while culing then it's asking for injury in my opinion.
AKIRA said:Cheating to me is a way to force out 2 reps, like someone had already said. I can also see it as breaking through a plateau. Neither one would be something that should be consistent in programs nor would I list them in my journal, unless noted specifically.
Yea, but wont they get much better results if they used good form.ForemanRules said:Like most top athletes they depend 95% on genetics to be great so they can fudge the other stuff if they want.
mike456 said:Yea, but wont they get much better results if they used good form.