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    UFC Fight Night

    Anyone catch it last night??? All I know is I was damn impressed with Diego Sanchez, he's fun to watch. If a MMA fighter can be deemed "graceful" he is. Karo Parysian is no joke and aside from a few minutes there that Diego was a little winded, he completely dominated him. Good showing for the kid.

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    Yeah I missed it I was soo pissed. I got in with like 10 mins to go.

    Sigh it will be repeated I guess.

    Diego is by far one of the best TUF competitors that have succeeded in the UFC

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    I thought the Diego/Karo fight was the only good one. Karo's judo throws were pretty impressive, but come the 3rd round he had nothing left and Diego just pushed the pressure the whole time. I thought the decision could have gone to Karo though, since he won the 1st two rounds. But I don't think they wanted to give Diego his 1st loss in a fight that close where he dominated at the end. They probably want to see him go after GSP, Hughes or Penn.

    They need to start putting better guys on these though. The point of the show "The Ultimate Fighter" is to give the winner a shot in the UFC, yet at all the fight nights, all of the competitors from the shows fight anyway. I'd like to see dudes like Neer, Swick, Loisseau, Sherk, ect. fight in these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
    Yeah I missed it I was soo pissed. I got in with like 10 mins to go.

    Sigh it will be repeated I guess.

    Diego is by far one of the best TUF competitors that have succeeded in the UFC
    Yeah I wasn't impressed with his previous fight but man oh man he made up for it last night. His movement is so smooth, such a beautiful thing to watch. Now if he can work on his stand up a little more he'll have a legit shot at the title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodfella9783 View Post
    They need to start putting better guys on these though. The point of the show "The Ultimate Fighter" is to give the winner a shot in the UFC, yet at all the fight nights, all of the competitors from the shows fight anyway. I'd like to see dudes like Neer, Swick, Loisseau, Sherk, ect. fight in these.
    I agree with that. Diego even said he has never shown his best. I think his next fight should be with someone like GSP. See how good this kid really is. I wouldn't mind seeing another Nick Diaz vs Diego again either. I loved that fight. Did you guys catch "ultimate fighter 4 the comeback" last night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodfella9783 View Post
    I thought the Diego/Karo fight was the only good one. Karo's judo throws were pretty impressive, but come the 3rd round he had nothing left and Diego just pushed the pressure the whole time. I thought the decision could have gone to Karo though, since he won the 1st two rounds. But I don't think they wanted to give Diego his 1st loss in a fight that close where he dominated at the end. They probably want to see him go after GSP, Hughes or Penn.

    They need to start putting better guys on these though. The point of the show "The Ultimate Fighter" is to give the winner a shot in the UFC, yet at all the fight nights, all of the competitors from the shows fight anyway. I'd like to see dudes like Neer, Swick, Loisseau, Sherk, ect. fight in these.
    We definitely watched 2 different fights. I could see giving the 2nd round to Karo, but Diego was dominant everywhere else. The judo throws are cool to watch but they don't get you points in MMA. Everytime Diego was thrown he maintained some sort of control either landing right in his guard or on a few occasions slipping to Karo's back. Not to mention Karo's face looked like a veal cutlet at the end. Great fight.

    I agree the other fights weren't that great but Koscheck looked fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatCatMC View Post
    We definitely watched 2 different fights. I could see giving the 2nd round to Karo, but Diego was dominant everywhere else. The judo throws are cool to watch but they don't get you points in MMA. Everytime Diego was thrown he maintained some sort of control either landing right in his guard or on a few occasions slipping to Karo's back. Not to mention Karo's face looked like a veal cutlet at the end. Great fight.

    I agree the other fights weren't that great but Koscheck looked fantastic.
    They're just as good as take downs, especially when they look as flawless and effortless when Karo does them. He made Diego look like a rag doll. Sayin Judo throws don't influence scorecards is like saying submissions that are almost successful and bodyslams don't either. It was a fun fight to watch. It could have went either way. True that Parysian looked real beat up. Anyone see Karo get his tooth kneed out? That was wild.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doublebabse
    I agree with that. Diego even said he has never shown his best. I think his next fight should be with someone like GSP. See how good this kid really is. I wouldn't mind seeing another Nick Diaz vs Diego again either. I loved that fight. Did you guys catch "ultimate fighter 4 the comeback" last night?
    GSP would tear him up. Has just as good conditioning, much quicker, can sprawl with the best and has dangerous striking. Not to mention he's comfortable on his back.

    Yeah I watched UF4. A dude a I know from my hometown is in it this season. Jorge Rivera, he's in the middles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodfella9783 View Post
    They're just as good as take downs, especially when they look as flawless and effortless when Karo does them. He made Diego look like a rag doll. Sayin Judo throws don't influence scorecards is like saying submissions that are almost successful and bodyslams don't either. It was a fun fight to watch. It could have went either way. True that Parysian looked real beat up. Anyone see Karo get his tooth kneed out? That was wild.



    GSP would tear him up. Has just as good conditioning, much quicker, can sprawl with the best and has dangerous striking. Not to mention he's comfortable on his back.

    Yeah I watched UF4. A dude a I know from my hometown is in it this season. Jorge Rivera, he's in the middles.
    Did you see the 1st round?? Karo got worked. From the minute that first uppercut landed Karo never had his legs back. Had any of the judo throws put Diego in a bad position I'd agree with you but traditionally a takedown is supposed to put you in a better position which none of his did. Diego did get tossed like a rag doll but only to regain position in a matter of seconds. Diego is the real deal.

    Of course GSP would tear him up, he's the best in the world IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatCatMC View Post
    Did you see the 1st round?? Karo got worked. From the minute that first uppercut landed Karo never had his legs back. Had any of the judo throws put Diego in a bad position I'd agree with you but traditionally a takedown is supposed to put you in a better position which none of his did. Diego did get tossed like a rag doll but only to regain position in a matter of seconds. Diego is the real deal.
    I don't really recall it, but I know me and a few buddies said Karo had it. I have no bias as I don't really like either fighter. I remember Diego landing an uppercut that cut Karo. Karo in guard for a little. And Karo with two or three Judo throws where he was attempting to get out of Diego having his back standing up and the crowd responding to by goin nuts. Both exchanged a few shots. As I said, could've gone either way. Good ground display by both. I need to see it again. Link a vid if you have it.

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    August 18, 2006
    by Mike Fridley (Mike@sherdog.com)

    Diego Sanchez (Pictures) cleared a major hurdle Thursday evening towards getting a UFC welterweight title shot, winning a unanimous decision over Karo Parisyan (Pictures) at the Red Rock Casino Resort Spa in Las Vegas, Nevada.

    The hard earned victory wasn’t easy for the Albuquerque, New Mexico native, who sampled a taste of the canvas several times in the contest after being on the wrong side of Parisyan’s amazing judo throws.

    It wasn’t the Ultimate Fighter’s widely respected wrestling game that propelled him to the win — it was his underrated stamina that laid the foundation for his hand being raised in the most important main event of the scrappy welterweight’s career.

    Entering the third stanza (with Sherdog.com scoring the fight a round apiece) Sanchez simply out-hustled Parisyan, digging deep with a workmanlike effort to solidify his name in the UFC’s 170-pound title picture.

    Starting the final period with more gas in his tank than the man across from him, the fresh Sanchez went right to work with a straight right to the chin that briefly buckled Parisyan’s legs.

    Never a fighter to show any weakness, Parisyan plugged forward and scored a double-leg takedown against the cage. In the defining moment of the bout, Sanchez quickly rose to his feet and executed a brilliant trip that put him in position to hop on his opponent’s back.

    After dishing out some punishment to the back of Parisyan’s head and nearly securing a rear-naked choke, the TUF veteran found himself back on his feet after a skilled reversal courtesy of “The Heat.”

    Sensing his stamina advantage, Sanchez pressed forward with crisp punches and four consecutive shots to the midsection before a knee ejected a tooth from the California fighter’s mouth into the atmosphere.

    After being thrown to the floor by a judo technique for the fourth time in the bout, Sanchez hustled to gain top position and pound out a decision on the judges’ scorecards.

    Nelson Hamilton and Marcos Rosales called it 29-28 and the often mentioned Glenn Trowbridge absurdly scored it 30-26.

    “I believe I’m the best in the world. I still haven’t got to go out there and perform at my best, but I do think when the time is right, that’s when it’s right for me,” said Sanchez when asked if he was ready for a shot at the title.
    I saw it 29-28 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodfella9783 View Post
    I thought the Diego/Karo fight was the only good one. Karo's judo throws were pretty impressive, but come the 3rd round he had nothing left and Diego just pushed the pressure the whole time. I thought the decision could have gone to Karo though, since he won the 1st two rounds. But I don't think they wanted to give Diego his 1st loss in a fight that close where he dominated at the end. They probably want to see him go after GSP, Hughes or Penn.

    They need to start putting better guys on these though. The point of the show "The Ultimate Fighter" is to give the winner a shot in the UFC, yet at all the fight nights, all of the competitors from the shows fight anyway. I'd like to see dudes like Neer, Swick, Loisseau, Sherk, ect. fight in these.
    "The hard earned victory wasn’t easy for the Albuquerque, New Mexico native, who sampled a taste of the canvas several times in the contest after being on the wrong side of Parisyan’s amazing judo throws."

    "Starting the final period with more gas in his tank than the man across from him, the fresh Sanchez went right to work"

    Yup I watched the same fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodfella9783 View Post
    "The hard earned victory wasn’t easy for the Albuquerque, New Mexico native, who sampled a taste of the canvas several times in the contest after being on the wrong side of Parisyan’s amazing judo throws."

    "Starting the final period with more gas in his tank than the man across from him, the fresh Sanchez went right to work"

    Yup I watched the same fight.
    So if Diego clearly won the 1st and 3rd rounds, I'm still a little puzzled on how anyone can give Karo the decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatCatMC View Post
    So if Diego clearly won the 1st and 3rd rounds, I'm still a little puzzled on how anyone can give Karo the decision.
    In my original post, I said the decision could have gone to Karo. I did not give the decision to Karo. Karo won the 1st round to me because all of his successful Judo throws came in that round and all Diego did was land an uppercut and sit on Karo's guard for a little. Karo's skills impressed me more in that round and he looked real confident. It's hard to argue over a 3 round close fight. Judges have different opinions. And since I watched it I am a judge. And that article was just Sherdog's opinion. And I didn't see in it where they gave the 1st round to Diego.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodfella9783 View Post
    In my original post, I said the decision could have gone to Karo. I did not give the decision to Karo. Karo won the 1st round to me because all of his successful Judo throws came in that round and all Diego did was land an uppercut and sit on Karo's guard for a little. Karo's skills impressed me more in that round and he looked real confident. It's hard to argue over a 3 round close fight. Judges have different opinions. And since I watched it I am a judge. And that article was just Sherdog's opinion. And I didn't see in it where they gave the 1st round to Diego.
    I gave the 1st round to Diego, thats for sure. If you are gonna use the judo throws at least do something with them. They cause no damage, and they did nothing to improve Karo's position. Every thrown either ended up in Diego's guard and in 1 instance Karo giving up his back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatCatMC View Post
    I gave the 1st round to Diego, thats for sure. If you are gonna use the judo throws at least do something with them. They cause no damage, and they did nothing to improve Karo's position. Every thrown either ended up in Diego's guard and in 1 instance Karo giving up his back.
    Then takedowns do nothing. Attempted submissions that don't result in tapout to do nothing.

    Judo throws do do something man. Getting Judo thrown onto your head doesn't not "cause not damage." Ask anyone who has ever gotten it done to them, including Diego (who got thrown onto his head at one point).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodfella9783 View Post
    Then takedowns do nothing. Attempted submissions that don't result in tapout to do nothing.

    Judo throws do do something man. Getting Judo thrown onto your head doesn't not "cause not damage." Ask anyone who has ever gotten it done to them, including Diego (who got thrown onto his head at one point).
    I just checked the fight forum, 90% of them said exactly what I said. Judo throws are nothing but cool looking takedowns. It makes perfect sense to me that if a takedown doesn't result in a dominant position, what good is it?? And if those throws hurt Diego at all, he sure didn't show it. Karo gave up his back on more than 1 instance, that alone would negate the few throws that Karo made. Had that 3rd round been even 30 seconds longer, or had that been a 5 round fight, we more than likely would have seen a Sanchez KO victory.

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    Diego never lets up - very fun to watch.
    Hughes/Sanchez will be a good one.

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    Hehe, I was just doing more reading on the fight forum. I can't beleive how badly Diego is hated on. That being said, the same people who hate him also said they hate that fact that they thought he won the fight. I guess he's gonna have to knockout or submit someone to get the respect he deserves?

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    Diego clearly won the third and Karo clearly won the second. I went with Diego in the first, but you can make a case for Karo. Diego hit him with a well place uppercut under the eye that cut Karo. Karo, looked a little stunned after that, but came on hard once he gained his composure. And, take downs do score in the UFC, whether they hurt the opponent or not, just like strikes. The question is the same in boxing. Who wins the fight, the fighter that scores more or the fighter who did the most damage. But, I think Diego, as much as I dislike him, deserved the fight after that finish.

    P.S. He will be owned by any of the big three, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the nut View Post
    Diego clearly won the third and Karo clearly won the second. I went with Diego in the first, but you can make a case for Karo. Diego hit him with a well place uppercut under the eye the cut Karo. Karo, looked a little stunned after that, but came on hard once he gained his composure. And, take downs do score in the UFC, whether they hurt the opponent or not, just like strikes. The question is the same in boxing. Who wins the fight, the fighter that scores more or the fighter who did the most damage. But, I think Diego, as much as I dislike him, deserved the fight after that finish.

    P.S. He will be owned by any of the big three, IMO.
    Thank you. Exactly, how can something as pretty as Judo throw be worth nothing to judges? That's like saying just because a Liddell counter punch that doesn't hurt Sobral or anyone else, the judges just look past it. Makes no sense. That's why it's MMA. All maneuvers and styles from different disciplines have to be accounted for by the judges or else it wouldn't be MMA.


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=rjYw_BFJabI : Watch starting at 0:35. You tell me that does nothing to the opponent or in the judges eyes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodfella9783 View Post
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=rjYw_BFJabI : Watch starting at 0:35. You tell me that does nothing to the opponent or in the judges eyes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodfella9783 View Post
    Thank you. Exactly, how can something as pretty as Judo throw be worth nothing to judges? That's like saying just because a Liddell counter punch that doesn't hurt Sobral or anyone else, the judges just look past it. Makes no sense. That's why it's MMA. All maneuvers and styles from different disciplines have to be accounted for by the judges or else it wouldn't be MMA.


    http://youtube.com/watch?v=rjYw_BFJabI : Watch starting at 0:35. You tell me that does nothing to the opponent or in the judges eyes?

    They were worth nothing because like I said, they did nothing to improve his position. Had he thrown Diego across the ring and mounted him, I would say ok, give him some big points. But the fact is while they were fun to watch, Diego neutralized every one of them. The throw that Diego landed on his head, Karo landed harder on his own head....

    And obviously they do nothing in the judges eyes, or else Karo would have won the fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatCatMC View Post
    They were worth nothing because like I said, they did nothing to improve his position. Had he thrown Diego across the ring and mounted him, I would say ok, give him some big points. But the fact is while they were fun to watch, Diego neutralized every one of them. The throw that Diego landed on his head, Karo landed harder on his own head....

    And obviously they do nothing in the judges eyes, or else Karo would have won the fight.
    And, the judges are always right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatCatMC View Post
    They were worth nothing because like I said, they did nothing to improve his position. Had he thrown Diego across the ring and mounted him, I would say ok, give him some big points. But the fact is while they were fun to watch, Diego neutralized every one of them. The throw that Diego landed on his head, Karo landed harder on his own head....

    And obviously they do nothing in the judges eyes, or else Karo would have won the fight.
    But you just said they're nothing but cool looking takedowns. I recall at least one of them where Diego had Karo's back while standing and Karo performed one of the throws to reverse the position and take it to the ground. Regardless of the result, he took Diego out of a positive position, took him out of balance and threw him with ease, showing mastery at Judo. Again, the throw alone demonstrates Martial arts and this is MMA. Points easily. Just because he threw him around a little, doesn't mean he beat Diego. No one's arguing that Diego lost the fight. I just said it could've gone either way. Diego's 3rd round won it for him.

    If Hughes carries Trigg and slams him but falls into mount or doesn't mount Riggs after the slam, it doesn't matter. He slammed the dude straight up and will get points, just like a throw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the nut View Post
    And, the judges are always right.
    I forget, who did you have winning the fight?

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    I don't see how putting someone on their back in their guard isn't a dominant position for the top fighter?

    I thought the first round could have gone either way too, but had it for Diego
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatCatMC View Post
    I forget, who did you have winning the fight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodfella9783 View Post
    But you just said they're nothing but cool looking takedowns. I recall at least one of them where Diego had Karo's back while standing and Karo performed one of the throws to reverse the position and take it to the ground. Regardless of the result, he took Diego out of a positive position, took him out of balance and threw him with ease, showing mastery at Judo. Again, the throw alone demonstrates Martial arts and this is MMA. Points easily. Just because he threw him around a little, doesn't mean he beat Diego. No one's arguing that Diego lost the fight. I just said it could've gone either way. Diego's 3rd round won it for him.

    If Hughes carries Trigg and slams him but falls into mount or doesn't mount Riggs after the slam, it doesn't matter. He slammed the dude straight up and will get points, just like a throw.
    You act like there is some tally sheet that each punch = points and each throw/takedown gets points. ** Newsflash** It's a 10 point must system just like boxing. Only there are more variables to account for, and one HUGE variable that counts in the UFC is "Octagon Control" which we haven't even touched on. If a slam or a throw is neutralized or defended against well, that counts just as much as the throw or takedown in the first place. You've turned this thread from a Diego/Karo fight thread, to a point semantics thread because you didn't even see the whole fight to comment on it properly in the first place..

    The fact is the throws didn't do any damage, didn't give Karo any advantage (this time), and were "scored" accordingly. Diego for the win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatCatMC View Post
    You act like there is some tally sheet that each punch = points and each throw/takedown gets points. ** Newsflash** It's a 10 point must system just like boxing. Only there are more variables to account for, and one HUGE variable that counts in the UFC is "Octagon Control" which we haven't even touched on. If a slam or a throw is neutralized or defended against well, that counts just as much as the throw or takedown in the first place. You've turned this thread from a Diego/Karo fight thread, to a point semantics thread because you didn't even see the whole fight to comment on it properly in the first place..

    The fact is the throws didn't do any damage, didn't give Karo any advantage (this time), and were "scored" accordingly. Diego for the win.
    When did I say I didn't see the whole fight? I clearly said in my first comment that I thought the Diego/Parisyan fight was the only good one... I said I don't remember the whole fight I just remember it being able to go either way.

    Scoring points in boxing/MMA is an expression in one aspect (i.e. "That punch will score good with the judges" or "what a takedown! That will score points with the judges" or "Those combos by Gatti, although no significant damage to Ward, will score with the judges"). I never said aything about a tally sheet so don't attempt to put words in my mouth.

    A Judo throw/takedown is good period. Had Diego not did what he did in the 3rd round, Karo would've won the fight based on his throws. Clear as day.

    From MMA weekly: "Karo proved once again that judo can work in MMA when he unleashed a few different throws that put Diego on his back and landing on his head a couple of times."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodfella9783 View Post
    From MMA weekly: "Karo proved once again that judo can work in MMA when he unleashed a few different throws that put Diego on his back and landing on his head a couple of times."
    Yeah, it worked so well it won him the decision.

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