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    Weight training & Jiu Jitsu - Training like an Athlete

    Ok. Almost entirely over my back problem. Which is great news (and a confidence booster)

    Anyway, the reason I initially had a problem to begin with, was the way I was training (in addition to my participation in jiu jitsu) Basically an overuse injury.

    If im going to train in BJJ, I want to protect myself from injury, but more importantly train the way your supposed to be training for a sport. Like an athlete.

    I came up with an outline of what I think is right, although it is probably in need of a lot of work. It is the result of some research I did while rehabbing my back.

    This is what I came up with:

    FOAM ROLL
    KETTLEBELL SWINGS TO WARMUP & GET HEART RATE GOING

    (DYNAMIC)
    KNEE TO CHEST PSOAS & PIRIFORMIS STRETCH
    BEAR CRAWLS
    BRIDGES
    WALKING HIGH KNEES
    SHOULDER DISLOCATIONS

    (BALANCE)
    WALK HEEL TO TOE
    STAND ONE FOOTED
    STAND UP AND SIT DOWN WITHOUT USING HANDS
    PISTOLS

    (PLYOS)
    SQUAT JUMPS
    JUMP TO BOX
    LATERAL JUMP TO BOX

    WEIGHT TRAIN

    STATIC STRETCH

    The weight training program looks like this:

    UPPER (DAY1)
    OH PRESS 4x6 @ 8RM (SWITCH WITH BP)
    BB ROWS 3X8-12
    BENCH PRESS 3x12 @15RM (SWITCH WITH OH PRESS)
    WEIGHTED CHINS 20 TOTAL
    WEIGHTED DIPS 3x8-12
    CABLE ROWS 3X8-12

    CORE - PRONE BRIDGE, LATERAL BRIDGE, SUPINE BRIDGE, RUSSIAN TWISTS, SUPERMANS

    LOWER (DAY2)
    1 LEG KB RDL 4x6 @ 8RM
    BACK SQ 8x3 @ 5RM, 4X6 @ 8RM, OR 3X12 @ 15RM
    BULG SQ 3x8-12
    HIGH STEP UPS 3X8-12
    LUNGES 3X8-12
    REVERSE HYPERS 3X8-12

    CORE - PRONE BRIDGE, LATERAL BRIDGE, SUPINE BRIDGE, RUSSIAN TWISTS, SUPERMANS

    POWER (DAY3) KETTLEBELLS
    DARC SWINGS
    C & J
    SNATCH & OH SQ
    CLAP PUSHUPS
    PULLUPS

    I'm pretty sure I'm leaving one or more systems out. Hopefully someone can help me out with this, I'd greatly appreciate it. I definately don't want to get hurt again.

    FYI, Jiu jitsu is on SUNDAY, MONDAY, and WEDNESDAY. Curious as to where I'd put my training days, or if it even matters (certain it does..)

    P.S. - I am in no rush, I am still resting for the most part, I would just like this to be prepared for when I am ready to weight train again (hopefully sometime this coming week)
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    it isn't bad.

    Things I would do:

    1) I would do some light stretching for whatever is tight just following the foam roll. This is not agressive static stretching like you would do after the workout (sometimes people miss understand me when I say I stretch in my warm up). This is just to get loose and loosen up the joints. Holding for an easy 3-5 count and taking the stretch deeper of 2-3 reps. Nothing to agressive. 3D stretching would be a good idea too.

    2) I would NOT do all three of those plyo's in my workout. I would pick one. and have one on each day. Upper body day you might want something like med. ball chest passes against a brick wall or med. ball rotational pass (onece your back feels better). Push Jerks work well also.

    3) I would drop some of the training volume and instead incorporate an energy system development circuit at the end of the workout. This can be something like a med. ball circuit, a calliistenics circuit or a kettle bell circuit. Use this to raise your work capacity. You might want to do it specific to the rounds that are in Jiu-Jitsu (if there are any). For example, 3min of work, 30sec of rest, etc...

    4) you have lots of pressing. I might drop one of those exercises (in favor of an explosive plyo-lift at the begning of the exercise, like I listed eariler). You might want to do some curls and triceps (12-15 reps) to help promote some tendon strength as well.
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    Cool, okay.

    I agree about the stretching, I will do that.

    I will drop bench press, do the med ball passes against wall on upper day, and on lower do squat jumps as my plyo. Add some curls and skullcrushers on upper day as well.

    As far as the circuit training to raise work capacity, I think I will do that on day 3 at the end instead of on upper and lower (seems as though I have a fair amount of volume already, especially on lower day)

    I think I will do only 2 sets of lunges and 2 sets of step ups. Between the 1 leg RDL's, back squats, and bulg squats that is a shit load of lower body work.

    What about when I train? Does it make a difference if I weight train the same day I practice jiu jitsu? I was thinking going MON, WED, FRI. (Jiu jitsu is SUN, MON, WED)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fUnc17 View Post
    Cool, okay.

    I agree about the stretching, I will do that.

    I will drop bench press, do the med ball passes against wall on upper day, and on lower do squat jumps as my plyo. Add some curls and skullcrushers on upper day as well.

    As far as the circuit training to raise work capacity, I think I will do that on day 3 at the end instead of on upper and lower (seems as though I have a fair amount of volume already, especially on lower day)

    I think I will do only 2 sets of lunges and 2 sets of step ups. Between the 1 leg RDL's, back squats, and bulg squats that is a shit load of lower body work.

    What about when I train? Does it make a difference if I weight train the same day I practice jiu jitsu? I was thinking going MON, WED, FRI. (Jiu jitsu is SUN, MON, WED)

    P.S. - Thank you


    I might go:

    sun- jiu-jitsu
    mon- AM- upper. PM-jiu-jitsu
    tues- off
    wed- jiu-jitsu
    fri- lower body
    sat- energy sytem develpment
    sun- off
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    Quote Originally Posted by P-funk View Post
    I might go:

    sun- jiu-jitsu
    mon- AM- upper. PM-jiu-jitsu
    tues- off
    wed- jiu-jitsu
    fri- lower body
    sat- energy sytem develpment
    sun- off
    2 Sunday's? I wish

    sun- jiu-jitsu
    mon- AM- upper. PM-jiu-jitsu
    tues- off
    wed- jiu-jitsu
    thu- off
    fri- lower body
    sat- energy sytem develpment

    Thanks P, i'll make sure to triangle someone for you
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    Quote Originally Posted by fUnc17 View Post
    2 Sunday's? I wish

    sun- jiu-jitsu
    mon- AM- upper. PM-jiu-jitsu
    tues- off
    wed- jiu-jitsu
    thu- off
    fri- lower body
    sat- energy sytem develpment

    Thanks P, i'll make sure to triangle someone for you
    oh woops. I forgot about the sunday jiu-jitsu. You can't do that program, you will be training 4 days straight (fri-mon) and twice on tues!!

    How about:

    sun- jiu-jitsu
    mon- AM- upper/PM- jiu-jitsu
    tues- off
    wed- jiu-jitsu
    thurs- lower body
    fri- energy system development
    sat- off
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    You can't do jiu jitsu the day before your workout. At least I can't.


    I completely and totally exert myself in JJ, and have tried lifting the next day with a 10% strength reduction. Instead, do JJ the day AFTER you lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
    You can't do jiu jitsu the day before your workout. At least I can't.


    I completely and totally exert myself in JJ, and have tried lifting the next day with a 10% strength reduction. Instead, do JJ the day AFTER you lift.
    I've worked out on days i've had BJJ. Indeed im spent as well after rolling HARD, but most of the time we just dont roll hard (unless its against some tool trying to prove himself). To me, its just training, i practice my technique, I really dont use much strength if at all, and if i get caught, i tap early. Thats it.

    I start muay thai soon too... but it will only be one day a week to start and I will drop a day of BJJ for it.

    To combat all the activity in my life, I eat ALOT of carbohydrates. I'm talking over 50% of my diet is carbs. Protein around 35%. Eat alot, burn alot
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    Anyways, I'll have to roll against you at Grappler's Quest sometime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
    Anyways, I'll have to roll against you at Grappler's Quest sometime.
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    I'd make sure you:
    -use different variations on the chins/dips with grips and the like;
    -include some specific grip training; and
    -throw in some intensity-varied skipping based on the fight length, similar to what P suggested with the circuits. This will improve your fight-specific fitness and ensure you can maintain a strong enough grip for the full match.

    In judo we also used to do a lot of resistance training with bands in the same move/motion as you would do in the throw. It always felt awkward - but I know a few coaches who always swore by it. It'd be worth a shot..erm well maybe...sorta kinda...ok..maybe not - we always did look like total wankers doing it anyway and I never noticed much benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamjs View Post
    I'd make sure you:
    -use different variations on the chins/dips with grips and the like;
    -include some specific grip training; and
    -throw in some intensity-varied skipping based on the fight length, similar to what P suggested with the circuits. This will improve your fight-specific fitness and ensure you can maintain a strong enough grip for the full match.

    In judo we also used to do a lot of resistance training with bands in the same move/motion as you would do in the throw. It always felt awkward - but I know a few coaches who always swore by it. It'd be worth a shot..erm well maybe...sorta kinda...ok..maybe not - we always did look like total wankers doing it anyway and I never noticed much benefit.
    thanks, i will definately put some additional grip work in there. (especially since im not going to be deadlifting for now)

    HAHA @ the judo comment... my sensei also trains in judo, we have those resistance bands you speak of, training for throws on the dummy... they are fun, and yes we look like morons as well lol...

    you do a sort of hammer curl with the hand thats on the lapel, and check the time with the hand thats gripping the elbow of the gi right? (even sounds retarded haha)
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    ^ yup. that's the stuff. It's all meant to "copy" the actual movement etc etc....it's just damn awkward feeling and stupid looking.

    The grip work is where most people lose matches though. Very important.
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    My deadlift 1RM should be 500+ by the end of the year. Hopefully that means I have a good grip--without straps that is.
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