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2 Week Pheraplex Cycle Versus 8 Week Test-E Cycle...

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  • Test-E because Foreman told me so.

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  • Pheraphlex because it's 2 weeks versus 8.

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    2 Week Pheraplex Cycle Versus 8 Week Test-E Cycle...

    Which is safer and why?

    Discuss.
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    If your gona do anything you may as well do it the right way, an OTC oral steroid is far more toxic then test, also why would you only do 2 weeks of an oral?
    Quote Originally Posted by Luke8395

    But, I've been with girls that had saggy chests and boring butts and they still had no personality. Those girls are usually really bitter. I think they realize they are useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kicka19 View Post
    If your gona do anything you may as well do it the right way, an OTC oral steroid is far more toxic then test, also why would you only do 2 weeks of an oral?
    I'm worried about heart hypertrophy more than toxicity...

    Wouldn't 8 weeks hypertrophy the heart more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
    I'm worried about heart hypertrophy more than toxicity...

    Wouldn't 8 weeks hypertrophy the heart more?
    everything i have read about hear hypertrophy is that it is a LONG term effect of gear, im talking years of being on the stuff, keep your cardio low and you will be fine
    Quote Originally Posted by Luke8395

    But, I've been with girls that had saggy chests and boring butts and they still had no personality. Those girls are usually really bitter. I think they realize they are useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kicka19 View Post
    everything i have read about hear hypertrophy is that it is a LONG term effect of gear, im talking years of being on the stuff, keep your cardio low and you will be fine
    What do you mean keep your cardio low? I thought cardio was mandatory on a cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
    What do you mean keep your cardio low? I thought cardio was mandatory on a cycle?
    the heart is a muscle, if you do tons of cardio on cycle it will grow just like any other muscle
    Quote Originally Posted by Luke8395

    But, I've been with girls that had saggy chests and boring butts and they still had no personality. Those girls are usually really bitter. I think they realize they are useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kicka19 View Post
    the heart is a muscle, if you do tons of cardio on cycle it will grow just like any other muscle


    Umm... What?

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    Someone please explain this.


    Do you mean don't do cardio on a cycle or off of it, or ever?
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    Here you go BigD. This should help. http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...-the-heart.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by largepkg View Post
    Umm... What?
    I was thinking the same. Your heart has a possible chance of growing however while on growth hormone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPapaPump68 View Post
    I was thinking the same. Your heart has a possible chance of growing however while on growth hormone.
    What were you thinking?


    That article says it grows on BOTH steroids and GH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by largepkg View Post
    Here you go BigD. This should help. http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...-the-heart.htm
    Yes, this tells me what I had feared.

    Now what?>

    Steroids cause LVH. That is bad. So... I shoudln't do them then...
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    I want answers!
    Quote Originally Posted by kbm8795 View Post
    Oh, I think Americans understand that the one thing conservatives hate the most is the idea of spending American tax money on Americans. . .in America.


    Your tax money is safe. . .in Iraq.
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    Of course theres a chance of side effects. Just look back at all the drugs you took (good and bad) and what side effects they had and u would vomit. Heavy weightlifting alone has been linked to LVH. I wouldnt worry about it especially only a cycle or 2. I dont do cardio when im on anyway because i walk about 10 miles a day at my job and Im usually trying to bulk up like crazy when on. Even if LVH popped up im sure something would end up killing you before that would.

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    Marathoners have LVH too, BigDyl is probably next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudge View Post
    Marathoners have LVH too, BigDyl is probably next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattd46612 View Post
    Of course theres a chance of side effects. Just look back at all the drugs you took (good and bad) and what side effects they had and u would vomit. Heavy weightlifting alone has been linked to LVH. I wouldnt worry about it especially only a cycle or 2. I dont do cardio when im on anyway because i walk about 10 miles a day at my job and Im usually trying to bulk up like crazy when on. Even if LVH popped up im sure something would end up killing you before that would.
    I thought LVH was supposed to make your heart more efficient... So wouldn't it make you live longer?
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    I know I'm not going to be much help here but what I got from the study was don't fuck with HGH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by largepkg View Post
    I know I'm not going to be much help here but what I got from the study was don't fuck with HGH.
    But it said to fuck with test?
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    Obviously there are risk with everything you do. I chose the risk that are worth it to me. HGH is to risky for me and Test is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by largepkg View Post
    Obviously there are risk with everything you do. I chose the risk that are worth it to me. HGH is to risky for me and Test is not.
    Why would test be risky then? If you're in good health and weight lifting without test causes mild lvh anyways....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
    Why would test be risky then? If you're in good health and weight lifting without test causes mild lvh anyways....

    This is my point. LVH was much more significant with HGH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by largepkg View Post
    This is my point. LVH was much more significant with HGH.
    Why is LVH bad?


    Plus doesn't the study also say that LVH does away after 6 months of being off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
    Why is LVH bad?


    Plus doesn't the study also say that LVH does away after 6 months of being off?


    "Left ventricular hypertrophy is not just a sign of another disease process, but rather it is an independent predictor of disease in itself. LVH is an ominous sign (2) for future cardiovascular health, and is an example of why good hypertensive control, and diabetic control, is key in the management of these disorders."


    For me personally it's a big deal. Yes, LVH may return to normal/almost normal after a period of time but my past 15+ of hypertension would suggest it's a chance I can't take. I haven't been diagnosed with LVH but I'm a prime candidate. This is the reason I would never consider HGH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by largepkg View Post
    "Left ventricular hypertrophy is not just a sign of another disease process, but rather it is an independent predictor of disease in itself. LVH is an ominous sign (2) for future cardiovascular health, and is an example of why good hypertensive control, and diabetic control, is key in the management of these disorders."


    For me personally it's a big deal. Yes, LVH may return to normal/almost normal after a period of time but my past 15+ of hypertension would suggest it's a chance I can't take. I haven't been diagnosed with LVH but I'm a prime candidate. This is the reason I would never consider HGH.
    So do you go to a cardiologist before and after a cycle and get a sonogram done?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
    So do you go to a cardiologist before and after a cycle and get a sonogram done?


    No, I had blood work done after each cycle but nothing else. I've done a total of 3.5 cycles. Since I've injured myself I'm not sure I'll ever cycle again. It's something that I think I've gotten out of my system but who knows.

    I've learned one very important thing about steroids and they thrive on themselves. What I mean is that steroid intake begets steroid intake. It's something thats not discussed here very often and it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by largepkg View Post
    I've learned one very important thing about steroids and they thrive on themselves. What I mean is that steroid intake begets steroid intake. It's something thats not discussed here very often and it should be.
    What do you mean?
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    Search for "test-e cycle" on google and this thread comes up as the number #1 result.


    bump
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
    What do you mean?

    What I mean is the more you take the more you want. Addiction isn't talked about very often and I think that's a shame. You could ask the majority of user's and if honest you would get the same response. They get depressed while coming off and are on an extreme high while on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
    Search for "test-e cycle" on google and this thread comes up as the number #1 result.


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