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    misinformation is epidemic; the media lies to you

    If you are bored, I challenge you to read through these and see how many you can answer correctly.



    1. What is the difference between full-automatic and semi-automatic? Is there one?
    2. Are machine guns legal to own in the United States? Can they be easily bought over the counter?
    3. How many legally owned machineguns have been used in a crime by civilians since 1934, when they were restricted by Federal law?
    4. What percentage of American homes have firearms in them? a)10% b)25% c)45%
    5. Is there any such thing as a 45mm handgun?
    6. Is the crime rate by concealed carry holders greater or lesser than the general population?
    7. Are there a greater or lesser number of crimes committed with firearms than defensive uses of firearms?
    8. What did the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban actually ban?
    9. What is the average income of a gun owner? a)$20K b) $30K c) $50K
    10. Are you more or less likely to be injured a) resisting a violent assault with a firearm or b) resisting a violent assault without a firearm c) not resisting at all?
    11. If you are a male citizen of the US, between the ages of 17 and 45, and not in the National Guard or other armed forces, are you in the militia according to the United States Code?
    12. Thousands of children 0-14 die in gun accidents every year, true or false?
    13. What is the ratio between homicides and democides (killed by your own government) in the 20th Century?
    14. What is the correlation between restricting firearms and the violent crime rate on a state-by-state basis?
    15. Which group shoots a bystander more often in a defensive shooting - concealed carry permit holders or cops?
    16. How many guns do private American citizens own? How many guns does the military own?
    17. What percentage of murders are committed with a semi-automatic rifle with a protruding handgrip?
    18. What percentage of gun owners are not hunters?
    19. What does a police department pay for a fully automatic weapon? What does a citizen have to pay for the same weapon because of an artificially restricted supply?
    20. How many Democrats lost their seats in Congress because of the Assault Weapons Ban?



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    1. Full-auto fires continuously, semi-auto fires one shot with each pull of the trigger.
    2. Yes, they're legal. No, you can't buy one without an EXTENSIVE federal background check.
    3. None of the 300,000 legally owned machineguns have been used in a crime by a citizen since 1934, when they were first regulated. No legally owned silencer, howitzer, or grenade has ever been used in a crime either.
    4. C, 45%.
    5. No, but a lot of journalists get this one wrong. 45mm is in anti-tank weapon territory.
    6. CCW holders are 20 times less likely to be arrested for any crime (source: Texas DOJ).
    7. There are 20x more defensive uses than criminal uses (source: US DOJ).
    8. Magazine capacities over ten rounds, and certain cosmetic features of military-style rifles. If you think it had something to do with banning machineguns, you've been duped - badly.
    9. C, $50K. The average education level of gunowners is a Bachelor's degree. (source: NRA-ILA survey).
    10. From most to least likely, b, c, a. You are least likely to be injured while resisting with a firearm (source: UK Home Office).
    11. Unequivocally. If you meet these criteria, you are in the militia BY LAW under USC 10 Sec. 311. Therefore, you're in a "well-regulated" militia.
    12. False. Accidental death by firearm accounted for 72 accidental deaths of 0-14 year olds in 2001 in the entire USA. (source: CDC)
    13. The instance of democide is 200 times greater than that of homicide. (source: U. Of Hawaii study, "Power Kills")
    14. The correlation is zero. Firearms restrictions do not impact the violent crime rate in any way. (source: Brady Campaign to Reduce Handgun Violence, USDOJ violent crime rates comparison)
    15. Concealed carry holders shoot the wrong person 2% of the time. Cops shoot the wrong person more than five times as often - 11% of the time. (source: Kleck study)
    16. Private US citizens own 300 million guns. The US Army, US Navy, US Air Force, and the National Guard combined own only 3 million guns. (UN Small Arms Survey)
    17. Less than 0.25% of murders involve an "assault weapon". (Source: Uniform Crime Report)
    18. Over 80% of gun owners don't hunt. (source: NRA survey)
    19. A police department can buy a fully automatic M16 from the government for $500. Because mere citizens cannot buy any machinegun made after 1986, a transferrable M16 is $15,000, a government-induced increase of 3,000%.
    20. "The fights I fought... cost a lot --the fight for the assault-weapons ban cost 20 members their seats in Congress." --William Jefferson Clinton

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    Very intrigueing stats, Clem.

    I agree, the media stinks.

    Judith Miller, and the New York Times to CNN's propaganda "The Week At War."

    It goes back long before.

    The American media is heavily censored.

    There is a comprehensive media filtering system.

    Meaning, that only those that internalize propaganda get hired to write as journalists.

    And you can easily be assigned to certain topics, while not being assigned to others.

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    Good read.
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    I guess the problem with these things is that it is like preaching to the choir. The only people who will read it are the people who already agree.
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    I like #14 the best. I've been in a fight on another board with some dimwit from Handgun Control Inc. He's a typical gun grabber who knows absolutely nothing about guns except what HCI feeds him. It's almost comical at this point.
    Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

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    Guns aren't the only subject where the media misportrays information to persuade you into a certain viewpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALBOB View Post
    I like #14 the best. I've been in a fight on another board with some dimwit from Handgun Control Inc. He's a typical gun grabber who knows absolutely nothing about guns except what HCI feeds him. It's almost comical at this point.
    It would be comical if it weren't so dangerous.
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    Guns R bad.
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    Oh, I think Americans understand that the one thing conservatives hate the most is the idea of spending American tax money on Americans. . .in America.


    Your tax money is safe. . .in Iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDyl View Post
    Guns R bad.
    Astounding insight. You are a true intellectual.
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    #21. Does the average american citizen have a constitutional right to own a firearm?

    A. No. There is no constitutional right to own a gun.

    You seem to imply that the pool of people subject to compelled participation in the US militia confers the constitutional right to carry a gun by that individual. (If I'm wrong about that then discount most of what I've written below except for the final paragraph.)

    That's an interesting and creative reading of the Second Amendment.

    The 1939 case U.S. v. Miller is the only modern case in which the Supreme Court has addressed this issue. A unanimous Court ruled that the Second Amendment must be interpreted as intending to guarantee the states' rights to maintain and train a militia.

    "In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a shotgun having a barrel of less than 18 inches in length at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument," the Court said.

    So according to case law, it looks like the 2nd amendment addresses a state's right to own guns and not an individual's.

    You mention that we are being lied to by the media. I don't follow gun news so would you show me some of this misinformation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clemson357 View Post
    Astounding insight. You are a true intellectual.
    "Guns R Bad."

    Quote Originally Posted by kbm8795 View Post
    Oh, I think Americans understand that the one thing conservatives hate the most is the idea of spending American tax money on Americans. . .in America.


    Your tax money is safe. . .in Iraq.
    Total ownage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clemson357 View Post
    You are a true intellectual.
    How did you know about that?
    Quote Originally Posted by kbm8795 View Post
    Oh, I think Americans understand that the one thing conservatives hate the most is the idea of spending American tax money on Americans. . .in America.


    Your tax money is safe. . .in Iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decker View Post
    #21. Does the average american citizen have a constitutional right to own a firearm?

    A. No. There is no constitutional right to own a gun.

    You seem to imply that the pool of people subject to compelled participation in the US militia confers the constitutional right to carry a gun by that individual. (If I'm wrong about that then discount most of what I've written below except for the final paragraph.)

    That's an interesting and creative reading of the Second Amendment.

    The 1939 case U.S. v. Miller is the only modern case in which the Supreme Court has addressed this issue. A unanimous Court ruled that the Second Amendment must be interpreted as intending to guarantee the states' rights to maintain and train a militia.

    "In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a shotgun having a barrel of less than 18 inches in length at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument," the Court said.

    So according to case law, it looks like the 2nd amendment addresses a state's right to own guns and not an individual's.

    You mention that we are being lied to by the media. I don't follow gun news so would you show me some of this misinformation?


    Wrong, and I will tell you why. When the bill of rights was written, a militia was considered a voluntary group of men with no official affiliation or employment to the state. By the second amendment's portrayal of a militia, I could form one. Me and my family and buddies then become a militia and we have the right to bear arms.

    Anyway, The bill of rights discuses rights to people and limitations of the government, why the fuck would they randomly throw in a right of the state. Why the hell would they have to give the state the right to bear arms when they already had it? You are misinterpreting the wording.
    Fucking Determined!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    Wrong, and I will tell you why. When the bill of rights was written, a militia was considered a voluntary group of men with no official affiliation or employment to the state. By the second amendment's portrayal of a militia, I could form one. Me and my family and buddies then become a militia and we have the right to bear arms.

    Anyway, The bill of rights discuses rights to people and limitations of the government, why the fuck would they randomly throw in a right of the state. Why the hell would they have to give the state the right to bear arms when they already had it? You are misinterpreting the wording.
    Look at my post again. That is not my conclusion. That is the conclusion of the Supreme Court of the United States of America.

    Your deconstruction of the 2A of the Bill of Rights is interesting as is your historical anaylsis of the origins of US militia men. I don't agree with either but I'll comment on your opinion re the Bill of Rights.

    Article I, Section 8 authorizes Congress:
    • "To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; to provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively the appointment of officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."
    The militias are regulated by federal and state governments. They were the precursor to today's National Guard. The Founders were against standing armies so they created a system where citizens could keep arms in their homes and be called to duty on a moment's notice. In this context, the 2A authorizes these folks to bear arms. There. End of mystery.

    The SP CT has always held this way that the 2A has referred to a National Guard situation and has never extended the definition to mean an individual has a constitutional right to bear arms.

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    "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

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