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    After all these years of being bitterly disappointed in the integrity, or lack thereof, of people running for public office I'd think that I'd heard and seen it all. But John Edwards has broken some new ground bringing the things people are willing to do to get votes to a new low.

    Can you believe that Edwards has actually made the statement that there is no war on terror? That it's just a slogan, a bumper sticker being used by the Bush administration to cover up its mistakes?

    If Edwards actually believes that, I consider him a foolish, naive politician, not fit to run for garbage collector, much for President of the United States.

    If he doesn't believe it that makes him a liar first of all and an unscrupulous buffoon who will stop at nothing to curry favor from the far left wing of the Democrat party.

    I would like to issue a challenge to Mr. Edwards. I dare you to go to Iraq and spend some time with the men and women who face terrorists everyday. Not the politicians or the brass, I'm talking about the grunts who carry the
    guns and take the fight to the enemy.

    Fly out to the forward operating bases where terrorists set roadside bombs and lob mortar rounds over the wall.

    And what about Osama bin Ladin and the Taliban Mr. Edwards? Do they qualify as terrorists? And how about the scumbags that blew up our marine barracks a few years ago? How about the suicide bombers who disenigrate bus loads if women and children in Israel, do you think they're terrorists?

    And the ones who flew American planes into the Trade Towers and the ones who blew a hole in the side of the USS Cole and destroyed our embassies in Africa, the Dico in Germany, the resort in Indonesia, the trains in London and Spain.

    And the list goes on and on Mr. Edwards. There are terrorists all over the world and if you're not astute enough to recognize it and that there is a war going on worldwide then you're sure not astute enough to be President.
    You would leave America defenseless, refusing to acknowledge an enemy who is bent on destroying us.

    You made a statement to the effect that the most important job you would have as President would be to travel around the world and restore the prestige that America has lost under the Bush Administration.

    Well from the sound of your naive, irresponsible and downright foolish rhetoric I'm not sure there would even be an America to restore prestige for under an Edward's Administration.

    Remember Mr. Edwards, bumper stickers and slogans don't kill people,
    terrorists do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    Run John Run

    After all these years of being bitterly disappointed in the integrity, or lack thereof, of people running for public office I'd think that I'd heard and seen it all. But John Edwards has broken some new ground bringing the things people are willing to do to get votes to a new low.

    Can you believe that Edwards has actually made the statement that there is no war on terror? That it's just a slogan, a bumper sticker being used by the Bush administration to cover up its mistakes?

    If Edwards actually believes that, I consider him a foolish, naive politician, not fit to run for garbage collector, much for President of the United States.

    If he doesn't believe it that makes him a liar first of all and an unscrupulous buffoon who will stop at nothing to curry favor from the far left wing of the Democrat party.

    I would like to issue a challenge to Mr. Edwards. I dare you to go to Iraq and spend some time with the men and women who face terrorists everyday. Not the politicians or the brass, I'm talking about the grunts who carry the
    guns and take the fight to the enemy.

    Fly out to the forward operating bases where terrorists set roadside bombs and lob mortar rounds over the wall.

    And what about Osama bin Ladin and the Taliban Mr. Edwards? Do they qualify as terrorists? And how about the scumbags that blew up our marine barracks a few years ago? How about the suicide bombers who disenigrate bus loads if women and children in Israel, do you think they're terrorists?

    And the ones who flew American planes into the Trade Towers and the ones who blew a hole in the side of the USS Cole and destroyed our embassies in Africa, the Dico in Germany, the resort in Indonesia, the trains in London and Spain.

    And the list goes on and on Mr. Edwards. There are terrorists all over the world and if you're not astute enough to recognize it and that there is a war going on worldwide then you're sure not astute enough to be President.
    You would leave America defenseless, refusing to acknowledge an enemy who is bent on destroying us.

    You made a statement to the effect that the most important job you would have as President would be to travel around the world and restore the prestige that America has lost under the Bush Administration.

    Well from the sound of your naive, irresponsible and downright foolish rhetoric I'm not sure there would even be an America to restore prestige for under an Edward's Administration.

    Remember Mr. Edwards, bumper stickers and slogans don't kill people,
    terrorists do.


    Charlie Daniels
    And who the hell is Charlie Daniels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbm8795 View Post
    And who the hell is Charlie Daniels?
    LMAO, I knew this would get a comment from you. He is just but one of the many million conservative people like myself that are tired of all the political non-sense these liberals are spewing from their mouth. Just like the immigration bill they tried to ram down our throats, they just don't get it and never will.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    LMAO, I knew this would get a comment from you. He is just but one of the many million conservative people like myself that are tired of all the political non-sense these liberals are spewing from their mouth. Just like the immigration bill they tried to ram down our throats, they just don't get it and never will.
    Wasn't Bush also pushing that foolish idea?

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    And what about Osama bin Ladin and the Taliban Mr. Bush?

    Why are we wasting resources in "Mission Accomplished" Mesopotamia???? Why aren't we dumping triple the troops and supplies into Afghanistan, why is Afghanistan back into the worlds top poppy pushers, isn't that bad for democracy to turn their country into an Asian Colombia? Speaking of latin america, what about those bean eating terrorists swarming into our Nation like puss rising up under a pimple on our ass? How about real freedom from International Terrorism by stopping America's addiction to OIL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    Can you believe that Edwards has actually made the statement that there is no war on terror? That it's just a slogan, a bumper sticker being used by the Bush administration to cover up its mistakes....

    I would like to issue a challenge to Mr. Edwards. I dare you to go to Iraq and spend some time with the men and women who face terrorists everyday.
    Unlike douchebag Daniels, Edwards HAS been to Iraq.

    And what about Osama bin Ladin and the Taliban Mr. Edwards? Do they qualify as terrorists? And how about the scumbags that blew up our marine barracks a few years ago?
    If the "war on terror" were real, Bush wouldn't have let Bin Laden escape at tora Bora. He wouldn't have allowed 118 saudi citizens fly home (without FBI invistigation) on 9-12 when NO AMERICAN CITIZEN was allowed to fly.

    The "war on terra" is as much a sham as the "war on drugs."

    Daniels is a blowhard fool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lojasmo View Post
    Unlike douchebag Daniels, Edwards HAS been to Iraq.



    If the "war on terror" were real, Bush wouldn't have let Bin Laden escape at tora Bora. He wouldn't have allowed 118 saudi citizens fly home (without FBI invistigation) on 9-12 when NO AMERICAN CITIZEN was allowed to fly.

    The "war on terra" is as much a sham as the "war on drugs."

    Daniels is a blowhard fool.
    Why don't you speak on something you know something about?
    CD has been to Iraq several times supporting the troops. He is one of the biggest supporters of our troops you can find! And unlike Mr. lawyer, he didn't hide behind the front lines. You would never see John Edwards anywhere close to danger. That is why he doesn't really know what is going on!




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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    That is why he doesn't really know what is going on!
    So playing a fiddle and going on a USO Tour in the green zone qualifies someone to speak of national security and government policy?

    I'm no fan of John Edwards, but using Charlie Fucking Daniels as the ethos of your political identity is laughable at best.

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    Who said anything about him being a political figure or specialist on security?
    I just agree with what he says. Does that make me a National security guy or political leader?




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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    LMAO, I knew this would get a comment from you. He is just but one of the many million conservative people like myself that are tired of all the political non-sense these liberals are spewing from their mouth. Just like the immigration bill they tried to ram down our throats, they just don't get it and never will.

    Well, that sure qualifies him to willful ignorance.

    The only thing you are tired of is representative government, because multiple viewpoints are treasonous to a conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    Why don't you speak on something you know something about?
    CD has been to Iraq several times supporting the troops. He is one of the biggest supporters of our troops you can find!

    Uh, right. Playing music? Why isn't his yellow Republican ass still over there replacing one of our over-extended soldiers so someone can come home?

    And unlike Mr. lawyer, he didn't hide behind the front lines. You would never see John Edwards anywhere close to danger. That is why he doesn't really know what is going on!
    Right. Con-artist conservatives are such natural heroes. That's why "millions" of them have volunteered to serve their country in Iraq, we don't have a troop shortage, and Republicans are happy to raise their taxes to pay for their war.

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    All I have to say about Charlie Daniels is that the Devil went down to Georgia, he was looking for a soul to steal,he was in a bind, cuz he was way buh-hind, he was willing to make a deal...

    Stick to what you know you bearded homo!

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    Saying that there is no war on terror is not the same thing as saying there are no terrorists. Of course there are terrorists that need to be dealt with. Whether or not Bush is targetting these terrorists and doing anything to stop them is a matter of debat.

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    There is no war on terrorism in Iraq.

    The vast majority of 'terrorists' are Iraqi citizens tired of the US occupation--telling them how to live, co-opting their resources, killing their families and destroying their businesses.

    The "insurgents" are comprised of 5% foreign fighters. If you want to call them Al Qaeda, go ahead.

    Mr. Daniels writes like a drama queen as if his marginally talented ass knows the real deal about 19 guys with boxcutters bringing America to her knees.

    What an amateurish piece of propaganda this is.

    Hey dg, it's been a while, I hope you're well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decker View Post
    The "insurgents" are comprised of 5% foreign fighters. If you want to call them Al Qaeda, go ahead.
    Do you have any credible sources to back up this claim, or would you like some toilet paper?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Decker View Post
    There is no war on terrorism in Iraq.

    The vast majority of 'terrorists' are Iraqi citizens tired of the US occupation--telling them how to live, co-opting their resources, killing their families and destroying their businesses.

    The "insurgents" are comprised of 5% foreign fighters. If you want to call them Al Qaeda, go ahead.


    Mr. Daniels writes like a drama queen as if his marginally talented ass knows the real deal about 19 guys with boxcutters bringing America to her knees.

    What an amateurish piece of propaganda this is.

    Hey dg, it's been a while, I hope you're well.
    You are correct in that there is a reduced foreign presence of Al-Qaida in Iraq, but you are incorrect in that the insurgency is evolving into a centralized force aligned and answering to the hierarchy of Al-Qaida. The dust is settling and the Sunni leadership is collecting around the Al-Qaida banner. Though not all at once and not all inclusive, the facts do show the trend.

    Read this PDF containing a time line.

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    Over the last few years this war has evolved into something BushCo did not expect. Instead of pulling Iraq and Afghanistan into the collection of countries we control, like Pakistan and Israel, the war has sifted out the smaller terrorist groups and stratified what remains in such a way that coalition forces cannot effectively combat them. This situation war hardened the ideologist, provided a training ground for the grunts of their various groups, and has created an international governing body that's galvanized the previously uninvolved peasant population. Before this shindig started it was just a bunch of smaller groups with a tit-for-tat loose alliance. Funding was vague and sporadic, where as now there are resources for terrorist cells that are set up like banks with accountants and approval processes.

    The only thing we have on our side at the moment is that taliban and al-qaida forces are not always in agreement and tend to end up killing each other over territorial control. That won't last long as is evidenced by the treatise in Pakistan that allowed the two groups to fight together against Musharraf. These guys were killing each other there, but now fight as one. Not good for us ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kbm8795 View Post
    The only thing you are tired of is representative government, because multiple viewpoints are treasonous to a conservative.
    someone please kill me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decker View Post
    There is no war on terrorism in Iraq.

    The vast majority of 'terrorists' are Iraqi citizens tired of the US occupation--telling them how to live, co-opting their resources, killing their families and destroying their businesses.

    The "insurgents" are comprised of 5% foreign fighters. If you want to call them Al Qaeda, go ahead.

    Mr. Daniels writes like a drama queen as if his marginally talented ass knows the real deal about 19 guys with boxcutters bringing America to her knees.

    What an amateurish piece of propaganda this is.

    Hey dg, it's been a while, I hope you're well.
    In the early days of World War 3, guerrillas - mostly children - placed the names of their lost upon this rock. They fought here alone and gave up their lives, so that this nation should not perish from the earth.
    WOLVERINES, they were considered terrorists by the Russians and Cubans, but they were just American youth fighting for their homelands...
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    Has anyone even looked at Loose Change yet? C'mon KBM, I know you have.

    You too manic, at least someone argue it.


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    Oh, I think Americans understand that the one thing conservatives hate the most is the idea of spending American tax money on Americans. . .in America.


    Your tax money is safe. . .in Iraq.
    Total ownage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoneCrusher View Post
    You are correct in that there is a reduced foreign presence of Al-Qaida in Iraq, but you are incorrect in that the insurgency is evolving into a centralized force aligned and answering to the hierarchy of Al-Qaida. The dust is settling and the Sunni leadership is collecting around the Al-Qaida banner. Though not all at once and not all inclusive, the facts do show the trend.

    Read this PDF containing a time line.
    I am not asserting that Al Qaeda is anything remotely centralized. I was being flippant with my statement about "...call them Al Qaeda." Al Qaeda is more of a credo than an organization. Tora Bora, the purported stronghold of Al Qaeda (the base of the base) was nothing but a few lightly stocked bunkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    Do you have any credible sources to back up this claim, or would you like some toilet paper?
    No, I just pulled 5% out of my ass like I do 99% of the time.

    http://www.brook.edu/views/op-ed/ohanlon/20060616.htm

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1576666,00.html

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR2005111602519.html

    Of all the estimates I saw, 5% is about the middle of the pack guesstimate for foreign fighters estimated to be part of the insurgency with the high end being about 10%. The composition of the foreign fighters is largely saudi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
    In the early days of World War 3, guerrillas - mostly children - placed the names of their lost upon this rock. They fought here alone and gave up their lives, so that this nation should not perish from the earth.
    WOLVERINES, they were considered terrorists by the Russians and Cubans, but they were just American youth fighting for their homelands...
    I got stone cold drunk and took a bus to see that movie. I tried to do a chin up on the bus shelter and sliced off the skin on both hands. My friends and I were surrounded by a gang of like-aged punks. We were outnumbered 5 to 1. But they never attacked.

    I forgot my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decker View Post
    I am not asserting that Al Qaeda is anything remotely centralized. I was being flippant with my statement about "...call them Al Qaeda."Al Qaeda is more of a credo than an organization. Tora Bora, the purported stronghold of Al Qaeda (the base of the base) was nothing but a few lightly stocked bunkers.
    ???

    As far as tora bora goes Al Quida was a small group of terrorists back then compared to what the organization is today. They are substantial, not just a credo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
    In the early days of World War 3, guerrillas - mostly children - placed the names of their lost upon this rock. They fought here alone and gave up their lives, so that this nation should not perish from the earth.
    WOLVERINES, they were considered terrorists by the Russians and Cubans, but they were just American youth fighting for their homelands...
    One of my all time fave movies!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Decker View Post
    I am not asserting that Al Qaeda is anything remotely centralized. I was being flippant with my statement about "...call them Al Qaeda." Al Qaeda is more of a credo than an organization. Tora Bora, the purported stronghold of Al Qaeda (the base of the base) was nothing but a few lightly stocked bunkers.
    Who said you were?

    "but you are incorrect in that the insurgency is evolving into a centralized force " = you are wrong to state that the Iraqis are not joining either Al Qaida or one of the smaller Al Qaida controlled groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoneCrusher View Post
    Who said you were?

    "but you are incorrect in that the insurgency is evolving into a centralized force " = you are wrong to state that the Iraqis are not joining either Al Qaida or one of the smaller Al Qaida controlled groups.
    I never stated that the insurgency is evolving into a centralized entity. You must have misinterpreted my post. I try not to use the terminology "insurgent" b/c it's about as accurate as Islamofascist.

    There are many terrorist factions in Iraq. Some adopt the Al Qaeda credo. Some don't. One thing is certain, the US presence in the area is driving the efforts and recruiting of these terrorist organizations.

    Is al-Qaeda in Iraq a united bloc?

    Far from it, experts say. The organization remains highly decentralized and localized—a tangled web of tribal fronts, many with different means and ends.

    Al-Qaeda in Iraq: Resurging or Splintering? - Council on Foreign Relations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decker View Post
    I never stated that the insurgency is evolving into a centralized entity. You must have misinterpreted my post. I try not to use the terminology "insurgent" b/c it's about as accurate as Islamofascist.

    There are many terrorist factions in Iraq. Some adopt the Al Qaeda credo. Some don't. One thing is certain, the US presence in the area is driving the efforts and recruiting of these terrorist organizations.

    Is al-Qaeda in Iraq a united bloc?

    Far from it, experts say. The organization remains highly decentralized and localized—a tangled web of tribal fronts, many with different means and ends.

    Al-Qaeda in Iraq: Resurging or Splintering? - Council on Foreign Relations
    Deck I never said you were. You misunderstood me.

    Every thing in that link is supposition or a collection of statements taken out of context from experts. Did you read the PDF I posted that actually names terrorist organizations and how they have evolved? It includes a time line that clearly shows how this is all evolving into a stronger Al Qaida. You political desires to withdraw from Iraq surely have nothing to do with how you perceive and relate to current events I'm sure.

    The way an army is quantified and how it's structure is evaluated in the old systems of war do not apply to Al Qaida. AQ conducts itself very much like the VC did in Nam, but the one thing that made the VC quantifiable was the singular political structure of one country's leadership. AQ is an ideology not a political system. There is no political structure you would be able to measure.

    Some of what the experts on your link said I agree with and some I do not. The over all conclusion that this site is trying to propagate I do not agree with. Current events do not support that claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
    The Osama Al-Qaeda and the Iraq Al-Qaeda are not exactly a joint force, in fact the Iraqi faction are in name only with no official ties to the original Al-Qaeda....
    Where do you get that from?

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