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    Elevated Liver Enzymes

    I was getting blood work done to check my health for going on a medication when we found out that my AST, ALT, and Alkaline Phosphatase levels are all high, but especially the AST and ALT are ridiculous.

    Values are actual/normal maximum
    Alkaline Phosphate = 181/150
    AST=133/40
    ALT=261/55

    Just wondering if anyone here has any idea as what that could mean - I am working with a doctor on this, but outside ideas couldn't hurt to check into. I was taking multi-vitamins, ginseng, and minocycline, all of which I am stopping and then getting re-tested in about 3 weeks.

    On a better note, cholesterol levels are exactly 1:1. Kickass.
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    No gym for home, work out floor with 30, but is it for 20 like 30 lb when you no lift it to be for men, for 30 lbs instead? or half is 10 for 20 pounds?

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    Have you used any AAS or other supplements?





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    I tried creatine and the free sample of leviathan for a few days but really didn't feel the need to continue them, and that was like 2 months ago either way.

    The only supplements I have actively been using are a multi-vitamin, ginseng, fish oil, and whey protein. I was also taking minocycline for my skin.
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    No gym for home, work out floor with 30, but is it for 20 like 30 lb when you no lift it to be for men, for 30 lbs instead? or half is 10 for 20 pounds?

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    How long have you been using monocycline?


    There has been links although rare to Liver and kidney problems in long term use.





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    Ah yeah, the minocycline is definately your problem then.

    As minocycline is a widely used drug, clinicians should be aware of the risk of HS, even in the presence of neurological abnormalities. Early warning signs include an acute rash with fever, eosinophilia and elevated liver enzymes. The drug should be immediately and definitively withdrawn for the patient. If used, minocycline should be strictly monitored, especially in African or HIV-infected patients.
    Journal of Medical Case Reports | Full text | Minocycline-induced hypersensitivity syndrome presenting with meningitis and brain edema: a case report





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    Been using it since around the end of April, and that was what my doctor thought also. As of today I'm discontinuing using it, the multi-vitamin, and ginseng, and in 2-3 weeks I'm going to have more blood work again to hopefully see that the enzymes have gone back to normal.
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    No gym for home, work out floor with 30, but is it for 20 like 30 lb when you no lift it to be for men, for 30 lbs instead? or half is 10 for 20 pounds?

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    Been in the cage with Bas Rutten? Car crashes? Rough landing while base-jumping? Impact trauma also throws your levels out of whack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoneCrusher View Post
    Been in the cage with Bas Rutten? Car crashes? Rough landing while base-jumping? Impact trauma also throws your levels out of whack.
    I have been hitting myself in the face with a brick lately....
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    No gym for home, work out floor with 30, but is it for 20 like 30 lb when you no lift it to be for men, for 30 lbs instead? or half is 10 for 20 pounds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzik17 View Post
    I have been hitting myself in the face with a brick lately....





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    Alot of those western meds can have some pretty nasty side effects.. that's why I personally prefer to attack things dietarily if I can put it together.
    Do you do many bitter or estrigent ph.s and green herbs in your diet???

    Chinese med practioners have this red bark and bits ( ??) combo cleanse that I've used before and found quite good . $20 aus for 7-10 days worth of daily 1 lt brew bags. and 1 round usually being all you might need.
    worth mentioning anyway .

    Blooming tianshi lotus.

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    Nah I don't think I need to do any kind of cleansing, just stopping the medicines I am on will probably set me right.

    I will say I really should work harder at eating more vegetables though, I'm sure it would help out a lot. Sadly, that's one of the only remaining parts of my diet where I'm doing terribly
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    No gym for home, work out floor with 30, but is it for 20 like 30 lb when you no lift it to be for men, for 30 lbs instead? or half is 10 for 20 pounds?

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    Been there, frequent use of the cyclines (usually for Acne) can elevate your liver enzymes (or at least they did for both my brother and I). The cyclines can beat up on the liver in some folks. I wouldn't even bother getting worked up over the ginseng and the multi-vit. My money's on the cycline.

    Keep this in mind in case you're ever offered accutane. You think your liver is getting fucked with now, just wait. If offered, make sure they take your liver reaction to the cyclines into account before going forward (ie: a specialist should be consulted).

    Look into alterantive acne treatments (assuming it's for acne). For me, the cyclines never worked out and you risk turning your teeth blue.
    Look more towards diet, play around with ratios and see what starts giving you results. Especially look at things designed to promote insulin rushes (and consider cutting that out. Knock out post workout shakes for instance). I found a higher protein, higher quality fat, low carbohydrate diet did wonders for my skin.

    This is all simply opinion, your doc has the last say for the obvious reasons.
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    Gordo:

    The blood test actually was for accutane, and yes my liver reaction was probably the #1 side-effect I was concerned about.

    I don't eat much that promotes insulin spikes at all - my PWO shake is just milk and whey, nothing really in the way of dextrose or anything.

    I'm not sure if a really low carb diet will work for me. I remember before I changed my diet again, I was eating more protein and less carbs and I felt like complete crap. Always tired and whatnot.

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    Since you're the diet expert , do you have any good resources for eating for clearing up/maintaining healthy skin?

    I've already cut out about all sugar and greasy foods minus one weekly or bi-weekly cheat meat for the most part. I do know that eating my vegetables would help a lot, which I'm currently not doing, need to work on that. Not sure if there is anything else I could be doing diet wise.
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    I would be willing to to something like a carb cycling diet so that I have a few low carb days in a row or whatever, I'd have to read up on designing a diet like that. I just know that for me, extended low carb diets just don't work, they leave me feeling like garbage.
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    Many people who go low carb are scared to increase their good fats appropriately. A lower carb lifestyle can take several weeks of adjustment. You do adjust, it takes time though. Look into the work of Cassandra Forsythe. Over the years I came to the conclusion that the cyclines are used to really only treat the symptoms and not the problem. Docs are way to overloaded to get into the dietary issues that are likely setting off the chain of events that promote acne. In other words they don't have time to consider all the other factors (lifestyle, diet etc...)

    Working with a ND might be of benefit in this case (as a suggestion). If you try to "treat acne" but change nothing else, you'll simply continue to have to live with it.
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