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    Speaking of bonds

    How many pros and college athletes have put on 50lbs in years worth of training?

    Vladimir Guerro- Rookie season 205lbs now 235lbs

    Albert Pujols- Rookie season 210 now 235

    Alex Rodriguez- Rookie season 205 now 225

    Barry Bonds- Rookie Season 185 (1987) now 238

    All weights are according to MLB and ESPN. com


    I feel all of these weight gains are very realistic over an extended amount of time. Case and point buddies of mine natural went from 170 to 205 during 5 years of college athletics.

    Professional athletes have unlimited resources, training, diet, and there job is to workout and be good at a sport!

    Did Bonds juice who knows? But what about the other 3? When A-Rod breaks the record in a few years will people question him?

    I am not pro-bonds or anti- bonds, I just wanna hear some discussion
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    All of the guys listed there are far younger than Bonds, as you get older your numbers decline. His numbers went higher as he got older.

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    I've seen pictures of A-rod without a shirt and to be honest he's not very muscular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    All of the guys listed there are far younger than Bonds, as you get older your numbers decline. His numbers went higher as he got older.
    are you sayin there can't be genetic freaks?

    How old was aaron when he hit 755?

    Glavine just won 300 games and he is no spring chicken.

    Clemens still can throw amazingly and he has gotten getter with age (and bigger...much bigger).

    Nolan Ryan was a freak who played great to an old age.

    Bonds is a gifted athlete. Drugs didn't give him that gift.





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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    I've seen pictures of A-rod without a shirt and to be honest he's not very muscular.
    I bet you have.







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    As much as i hate Bonds, i hate when people compare his size from when he was skinny with the Pirates until now and use steroids as an excuse. It's not that hard to put on a lot of weight and size, especially if you have good genetics.

    Hell, i was a twig weighing 155 lbs soaking wet two years ago but i am currently 190 lbs and have put on a lot of size. People have noticed a huge difference so i think that argument is irrelevant.

    The only reason why the media and fans hate Bonds and not all the other athletes who cheated in sports is because of his attitude. He's a dick to everyone and has no personality like McGwire did or Sosa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-funk View Post
    are you sayin there can't be genetic freaks?

    How old was aaron when he hit 755?
    Look at their career numbers, Aaron did it consitantly over the years.
    Bonds did it at an age when your numbers are supposed to decline.

    Glavine just won 300 games and he is no spring chicken. He played for a real good team, the braves. He never came off as being great. Tom Seaver owned him.

    Clemens still can throw amazingly and he has gotten getter with age (and bigger...much bigger). Dammit, I hate to say this....but he must be doing something.

    Nolan Ryan was a freak who played great to an old age. Yes, he still can reach 85 mph, he is a freak

    Bonds is a gifted athlete. Drugs didn't give him that gift. It enhanced that gift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P-funk View Post
    I bet you have.



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    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit2169 View Post
    As much as i hate Bonds, i hate when people compare his size from when he was skinny with the Pirates until now and use steroids as an excuse. It's not that hard to put on a lot of weight and size, especially if you have good genetics.

    Hell, i was a twig weighing 155 lbs soaking wet two years ago but i am currently 190 lbs and have put on a lot of size. People have noticed a huge difference so i think that argument is irrelevant.

    Look at your age, come back here when your 37 and tell me you can make the same gains at that age like you can now....without help.

    The only reason why the media and fans hate Bonds and not all the other athletes who cheated in sports is because of his attitude. He's a dick to everyone and has no personality like McGwire did or Sosa.
    I agree 101%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    All of the guys listed there are far younger than Bonds, as you get older your numbers decline. His numbers went higher as he got older.
    Stats say what

    Take a look at his stats pre 2000 and post 2000 quite a remarable difference

    http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/st...188&statType=1

    Pre 2000 Avg HR per Season 32
    Post 2000 Avg HR per Season 52

    Pre OB% 407
    Post OB% 535

    Pre Slug% 561
    Post Slug% 611

    Pre Bat avg .288
    Post Bat avg .341





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    Giambi - before and after

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    McGwire - before and after

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    Bonds - before and after

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    Quote Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
    Stats say what
    Look at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
    Bonds - before and after

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