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    Yup. I'm taking 5 classes, and only 1 will be useful to me in my lifetime. That means college is 80% bullshit for me.
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    So they admit they sit in class looking at facebook and then poor little them has to study 3 hours a day.....boo fucking hoo.

    I used to work from 7am-4:30pm then go to class from 5:20pm - 9:45pm...you couldn't miss more than 2 days a semester or you failed...
    I still managed to graduate with honors...

    Oh yeah, not to mention that I worked out an hour a day as well...either at 5:30am or 10:30 at night and ate 6 meals a day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
    So they admit they sit in class looking at facebook and then poor little them has to study 3 hours a day.....boo fucking hoo.

    I used to work from 7am-4:30pm then go to class from 5:20pm - 9:45pm...you couldn't miss more than 2 days a semester or you failed...
    I still managed to graduate with honors...

    Oh yeah, not to mention that I worked out an hour a day as well...either at 5:30am or 10:30 at night and ate 6 meals a day...
    I think you missed the point bud. By the way, I also worked most of the time, paid my own way, managed to stay in shape, and made good grades. I don't get a medal, but at least I know I am tough and prepaid for life after college which will feel like a vacation compared to my life now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    I think you missed the point bud. By the way, I also worked most of the time, paid my own way, managed to stay in shape, and made good grades. I don't get a medal, but at least I know I am tough and prepaid for life after college which will feel like a vacation compared to my life now.

    College is still 90% bullshit.
    College is what one makes of it, you can go and cruise through the system or you can go and use the vast resources to forge a productive future for yourself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    I think you missed the point bud. By the way, I also worked most of the time, paid my own way, managed to stay in shape, and made good grades. I don't get a medal, but at least I know I am tough and prepaid for life after college which will feel like a vacation compared to my life now.

    College is still 90% bullshit.
    So true. I use 1% of what I did at college. Most proffessors are way out of touch with the reality of the working world.

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    Depends on what field one would go into i guess. I'm going for nursing (eventually MD but i'm taking the looooooong way lol) so i can't sit on facebook during class time because everything is very fast paced in the program i am in. There isn't really irrelevant stuff being taught, no time for fucking around. We work with sick people and have to be on the ball because one small mistake will cost someone their life, or might ruin your's.

    I'll admit when i was doing my pre req's and taking philosophy and what not, for fun, i goofed of a lot but thats because those classes were pretty easy and i could afford to. All that completely ended once i got into the program. And the things i am being taught will the be things i need and will use probably every day of my professional career, unless i specialize in a certain field at which point my skills will specialize and i'll probably forget the other stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goob View Post
    Most proffessors are way out of touch with the reality of the working world.
    I felt the same way, in my last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goob View Post
    So true. I use 1% of what I did at college. Most proffessors are way out of touch with the reality of the working world.
    Its funny you say that, cuz my girl friend (?) said a similar comment about my professor.

    "The guy has no clue of the real world. Hes the same type of jerk that has been in school his entire life. School is his life. Hes never applied it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
    College is what one makes of it, you can go and cruise through the system or you can go and use the vast resources to forge a productive future for yourself...
    That piece of paper that I get when I graduate is the only resource I need to have a productive future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKIRA View Post
    Its funny you say that, cuz my girl friend (?) said a similar comment about my professor.

    "The guy has no clue of the real world. Hes the same type of jerk that has been in school his entire life. School is his life. Hes never applied it."
    Most can't. Throw a professor out in the world, and most would drown.
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    Thanks shiznit2169..pretty thought provoking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKIRA View Post
    Its funny you say that, cuz my girl friend (?) said a similar comment about my professor.

    "The guy has no clue of the real world. Hes the same type of jerk that has been in school his entire life. School is his life. Hes never applied it."
    I understand what you are saying, but the man earned whatever degree and credentials he needed to teach, and is making a living. He is applying his education to his career and is, I'm assuming, doing fine in life in that respect. I'm not trying to shit on your comment, just something to consider.


    ^This has nothing to do with the video at all. I didn't finish watching it because it was too fucking annoying.
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    To go with what fufu said i also want to add that many professors are successful in their fields. I doubt there is a professor out their teaching an MBA program without any money in stocks/bonds.

    My psych professor was himself a psychologist, in the field of research. My nursing professors are diabetes educators, nurse practitioners, clinical nurse specialists and so on working in the field while still teaching. My old philosophy professor wrote many books on philosophy, put forth much thought into his field and is expanding the minds of students everyday. I wouldn't say that any of them are 'drowning' in the real world. Really depends on what one feels is important to oneself in life, not everyone wants to make 6-7 figure incomes. Some just want comfortable incomes with enough time to be with family, friends and follow their 'calling' if you will.

    Another point i want to make is that college is what you make of it. Take a bunch of dipshit liberal arts classes and you'll leave college a dipshit who knows art history and latin. Figure out something you want to do with your life and go into a competitive program focused on that and you will not have 3.5 hrs a day to fuck around on facebook. Those people with the stupid fuckin sign are the same dipshits that will probably tell you how many albums kanye outsold 50 cent by but won't be able to name the guy who cured Polio, or give even a general explanation of e=mc^2.
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    Negatives:

    I took a professor for Data Communications that was fired because he didn't cover any of the material he was suppose to. We were suppose to be learning the infrastructure of data communications and he spent 4 months teaching us how to program an FTP client in C++. One of my good professors was furious when he found out, and basically spent the next two semesters getting us caught back up to where we should be. The son of a bitch was a professor for 6 years, and I could only imagine how many other kids he fucked over.

    Over 50% of my general subject professors read straight off the power point slides. Less than 10% of my professors used the books we were suppose to buy for the class. I stopped buying books in my sophomore year and never had any trouble on exams.

    My visual basic programming professor was never on time for class, was never prepared, and very disorganized. He last my midterm exam. Instead of spending an hour a day teaching us visual basic, he spent 20 minutes teaching and 40 minutes trying to debug his shitty programs. He was trying to show us how to program a sample application, but he didn't prepare it before class, and wasted 40 minutes of class trying to figure out why it wouldn't run every day. The guy has one of the lowest ratings I have ever seen on ratemyprofessor.com.

    I would prefer to have had more classes pertaining to my major and less classes like music appreciation and art history. I appreciate music, and I like art, but it is total bullshit to charge $800 for a 3 credit hour class about appreciating music when I am a computer science major.

    I took 3 classes that I want my money back for because I didn't learn one useful fucking thing: Human Computer Interface, Project Management, and Need Assessment. All three classes were taught by a dirt old professor that hasn't worked in the industry since the days of fortran, and couldn't code his way out of a paper sack using VB. He wasted 30 minutes a day talking about his fucking sewing machine or his days when he worked at NASA. half way through the semester I was too disgusted to even go to class anymore, so I paid a friend in the class to run off copies of his notes. I only showed up for exams and project turn-in days and still made As and Bs in those classes. This was nice, because it allowed me more time to work at my job to pay for those bullshit classes.

    I have at least 10 more things that pissed me off, but those are the main ones.

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    My networking professor is a god damn genius. He can answer any question you have, and his answers make perfect sense so you understand. He refuses to use power point, and tells us not to buy the book, because the author is a moron. 90% of the class is hands on, and when you come out of his classes you can actually say you know how to fucking do something. I switched to networking so I could take more classes under him and he has taught about 75% of all my upper level computer classes. If it hadn't been for this professor, I would have switched Universities, and changed majors. Every kid in the department agrees that the guy and one other professor are the only things holding the department together.

    95% of my technical computer professors were smart, knowledgeable, and great professors. The classes were challenging but rewarding, and by the time I made it to my 300 level classes, most of the dipshits and morons had already flunked out or changed majors, so the classes could move at an accelerated pace.

    Well that about the only good things I have to say about the computer science department.
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    Wow KelJu sounds like you had a terrible time at your school. I guess there is still a lot of schooling for me to go through but so far my experiences have been mostly positive. My worst professor had a degree in teaching but was teaching Anatomy and Physiology and had no idea what the human body is all about. She would read from the book and when someone would ask her a question she would search through the book to read the answer. Funny thing she was the most demanding professor i ever had, wanted us to know every single origin, insertion and function of a muscle and if you wrote the insertion in place of the origin it would be wrong. I flipped on her for that and complained to the head of the department, explaining very logically that insertion/origin were just bullshit names and should just be thought of as attachments and should not be reasons for taking points off a test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fufu View Post
    I understand what you are saying, but the man earned whatever degree and credentials he needed to teach, and is making a living. He is applying his education to his career and is, I'm assuming, doing fine in life in that respect. I'm not trying to shit on your comment, just something to consider.


    ^This has nothing to do with the video at all. I didn't finish watching it because it was too fucking annoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKIRA View Post
    What happened to the slogan: Those who cant do, teach.
    Even if that is so, what is wrong with that? If people enjoy doing something and can make a living doing it, there it is. And for people that can do? How can they do? Being taught is a big aspect in progressing in any field. So there can't be do-ers without teachers. Dumb slogan! Unless it means something else I am not getting. It sounds condecsending to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KelJu View Post
    Negatives:

    I took a professor for Data Communications that was fired because he didn't cover any of the material he was suppose to. We were suppose to be learning the infrastructure of data communications and he spent 4 months teaching us how to program an FTP client in C++. One of my good professors was furious when he found out, and basically spent the next two semesters getting us caught back up to where we should be. The son of a bitch was a professor for 6 years, and I could only imagine how many other kids he fucked over.

    Over 50% of my general subject professors read straight off the power point slides. Less than 10% of my professors used the books we were suppose to buy for the class. I stopped buying books in my sophomore year and never had any trouble on exams.

    My visual basic programming professor was never on time for class, was never prepared, and very disorganized. He last my midterm exam. Instead of spending an hour a day teaching us visual basic, he spent 20 minutes teaching and 40 minutes trying to debug his shitty programs. He was trying to show us how to program a sample application, but he didn't prepare it before class, and wasted 40 minutes of class trying to figure out why it wouldn't run every day. The guy has one of the lowest ratings I have ever seen on ratemyprofessor.com.

    I would prefer to have had more classes pertaining to my major and less classes like music appreciation and art history. I appreciate music, and I like art, but it is total bullshit to charge $800 for a 3 credit hour class about appreciating music when I am a computer science major.

    I took 3 classes that I want my money back for because I didn't learn one useful fucking thing: Human Computer Interface, Project Management, and Need Assessment. All three classes were taught by a dirt old professor that hasn't worked in the industry since the days of fortran, and couldn't code his way out of a paper sack using VB. He wasted 30 minutes a day talking about his fucking sewing machine or his days when he worked at NASA. half way through the semester I was too disgusted to even go to class anymore, so I paid a friend in the class to run off copies of his notes. I only showed up for exams and project turn-in days and still made As and Bs in those classes. This was nice, because it allowed me more time to work at my job to pay for those bullshit classes.

    I have at least 10 more things that pissed me off, but those are the main ones.

    Positives:
    My networking professor is a god damn genius. He can answer any question you have, and his answers make perfect sense so you understand. He refuses to use power point, and tells us not to buy the book, because the author is a moron. 90% of the class is hands on, and when you come out of his classes you can actually say you know how to fucking do something. I switched to networking so I could take more classes under him and he has taught about 75% of all my upper level computer classes. If it hadn't been for this professor, I would have switched Universities, and changed majors. Every kid in the department agrees that the guy and one other professor are the only things holding the department together.

    95% of my technical computer professors were smart, knowledgeable, and great professors. The classes were challenging but rewarding, and by the time I made it to my 300 level classes, most of the dipshits and morons had already flunked out or changed majors, so the classes could move at an accelerated pace.

    Well that about the only good things I have to say about the computer science department.
    I have the same attitude regarding core classes - I would rather be taking classes pertaining to my major.

    My networking professor is also one of the most demanding professors I have ever had, but he is also one of the smartest. I'm actually behind in his current class because of outside things (interviews mostly), but goddamn. By the time I graduate thanks to him, I have a CCNA, I will have a CCNP, and I may have my CCIE for Internetworks, CCSP, and CCDA.
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    I go to a small technical college, so I've used a good chunk of my tech. classes for my job. There is still a good chunk of it that's a waste of time. For the most part I like college, but it pisses me off when I pay over a 100 dollars for a book and we never even use that book. Still, overall, the classes are fairly small and by the end of a semester a teacher usually knows everyones name. My class now started out with 18 people, and a good chunk of that dropped.
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    The sad thing is the best way to prepare yourself for the real world is to get work experience and to work the school system (inflate your gpa by taking community college courses that will transfer, and collect majors and certificates, while joining organizations that you can BS some kind of involvement in for job interviews). You take a bunch of hard, thought provoking classes like I did, and you fuck your GPA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KentDog View Post
    The sad thing is the best way to prepare yourself for the real world is to get work experience and to work the school system (inflate your gpa by taking community college courses that will transfer, and collect majors and certificates, while joining organizations that you can BS some kind of involvement in for job interviews). You take a bunch of hard, thought provoking classes like I did, and you fuck your GPA.
    That makes sense. Perception is everything. I've seen people that are total retards at what they do get quite successful because they know how to play the political game and because everyone else around them at work is a retard too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzik17 View Post
    Yup. I'm taking 5 classes, and only 1 will be useful to me in my lifetime. That means college is 80% bullshit for me.
    Hah, see that's ignorance. You don't know what classes will be useful to you in your lifetime. And at age 21, you're not in the position to say what you'll be doing 7-10 years from now anyhow. You probably think you got it all figured out, but in reality your foundation is very shaky at 21...er..you actually don't have a foundation.


    If you are a smart dude, most likey sometime after you get out of college and get a few years under your belt you're going to say 'oh, shit,, I'm not who I thought I was".

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    Quote Originally Posted by fufu View Post
    Even if that is so, what is wrong with that? If people enjoy doing something and can make a living doing it, there it is. And for people that can do? How can they do? Being taught is a big aspect in progressing in any field. So there can't be do-ers without teachers. Dumb slogan! Unless it means something else I am not getting. It sounds condecsending to me.
    Cuz I like to be a prick. I honestly dont care either way. I was quoting my friend...whom was prolly just saying such things to make me feel better cuz I was pissed at him. (i dont know why she does it. I dont have a Save Me sign on my head)

    Funny thing is, I read this to her and she said the same thing, "I hate that slogan!" My response to her was, then whyd you say what you said before if you didnt mean it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iMan323 View Post
    Hah, see that's ignorance. You don't know what classes will be useful to you in your lifetime. And at age 21, you're not in the position to say what you'll be doing 7-10 years from now anyhow. You probably think you got it all figured out, but in reality your foundation is very shaky at 21...er..you actually don't have a foundation.


    If you are a smart dude, most likey sometime after you get out of college and get a few years under your belt you're going to say 'oh, shit,, I'm not who I thought I was".
    Maybe, maybe not.

    Right now one of my classes is a poor amalgamation of two classes that I have already taken. A second class is Systems Administration, and although that is partially what I am going to be doing, the class is very easy and unstructured - not learning much. A third class is Ethics - and I know I'm not going to be an ethicist or a philosopher, that's an absolute given.

    The fourth class that I'm saying is "worthless" is Literary Study, and I'll give you the idea that maybe 10 years down the road I might actually enjoy finding meaning in poems and other literature.

    Regardless, that means at an absolute minimum 60% of my classes are a waste of my time that I could be using to focus more on my other studies.

    As for a career, I have 3 things in mind. #1 is my current path of network administration at Morgan Stanley, that's already under way. #2 is an independent day trader. I enjoy trading stocks and wish I had more time to dedicate to it - if I end up making a decent return, I may try this. #3 is an independent consultant for network design, setup, servers, etc..
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    Maybe, maybe not.

    Right now one of my classes is a poor amalgamation of two classes that I have already taken. A second class is Systems Administration, and although that is partially what I am going to be doing, the class is very easy and unstructured - not learning much. A third class is Ethics - and I know I'm not going to be an ethicist or a philosopher, that's an absolute given.

    The fourth class that I'm saying is "worthless" is Literary Study, and I'll give you the idea that maybe 10 years down the road I might actually enjoy finding meaning in poems and other literature.

    Regardless, that means at an absolute minimum 60% of my classes are a waste of my time that I could be using to focus more on my other studies.

    As for a career, I have 3 things in mind. #1 is my current path of network administration at Morgan Stanley, that's already under way. #2 is an independent day trader. I enjoy trading stocks and wish I had more time to dedicate to it - if I end up making a decent return, I may try this. #3 is an independent consultant for network design, setup, servers, etc..
    See, most career related classes that you'll end up taking are basically watered down and irrelevant. I'm a professional sales guy, I'm almost done with my degree in marketing. I have to say that my business education is practically useless in my line of work. What will really prepare you for work is on the job training. The way I see it, it makes no sense to get on the job training at school. For one thing, you're not even certain about the career you want to persue. Second, don't discount liberal arts classes. What you learn in them is comprehending and communicating information. It's hugely important. You think all these core curriculum classes are worthless, but they're not, they're actually worth far more than your vocational courses. Being a well rounded mothafucka is priceless. You should really consider concentrating on the big picture, really learning how the world works.

    As far as your career path, there's thing called money and there's this thing called independance and lack of it is influencing your choices. At some point you'll realize that money is just a tool, and it's not the most important thing in your career choice. Once you take money out of the equation, you may find that you don't enjoy the job that you're doing at all. Just keep an open mind and try to understand that it's okay for you interests to change. That's what I learned in the last 5 years. It will probably not sink in, but I feel obliged to put it out htere anyhow.

    Basically, once you will realize that money ain't shit, pussy ain't shit, status ain't shit, having cool friends ain't shit, your whole perspective will change and that's awesome.

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