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    Report: U.S. 'preparing the battlefield' in Iran

    I say we keep them another term.


    Report: U.S. 'preparing the battlefield' in Iran - CNN.com

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration has launched a "significant escalation" of covert operations in Iran, sending U.S. commandos to spy on the country's nuclear facilities and undermine the Islamic republic's government, journalist Seymour Hersh said Sunday.
    White House, CIA and State Department officials declined comment on Hersh's report, which appears in this week's issue of The New Yorker.

    Hersh told CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer" that Congress has authorized up to $400 million to fund the secret campaign, which involves U.S. special operations troops and Iranian dissidents.

    President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have rejected findings from U.S. intelligence agencies that Iran has halted a clandestine effort to build a nuclear bomb and "do not want to leave Iran in place with a nuclear program," Hersh said.

    "They believe that their mission is to make sure that before they get out of office next year, either Iran is attacked or it stops its weapons program," Hersh said.
    The new article, "Preparing the Battlefield," is the latest in a series of articles accusing the Bush administration of preparing for war with Iran.

    He based the report on accounts from current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. Watch Hersh discuss what he says are the administration's plans for Iran »
    "As usual with his quarterly pieces, we'll decline to comment," White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe told CNN.

    "The CIA, as a rule, does not comment on allegations regarding covert operations," CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said.

    Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador in Baghdad, denied U.S. raids were being launched from Iraq, where American commanders believe Iran is stoking sectarian warfare and fomenting attacks on U.S. troops.
    "I can tell you flatly that U.S. forces are not operating across the Iraqi border into Iran, in the south or anywhere else," Crocker said.

    Hersh said U.S. efforts were staged from Afghanistan, which also shares a border with Iran.
    He said the program resulted in "a dramatic increase in kinetic events and chaos" inside Iran, including attacks by Kurdish separatists in the country's north and a May attack on a mosque in Shiraz that killed 13 people.
    The United States has said it is trying to isolate Iran diplomatically in order to get it to come clean about its nuclear ambitions. But Bush has said "all options" are open in dealing with the issue.

    Iran insists its nuclear program is aimed at providing civilian electric power, and refuses to comply with U.N. Security Council demands that it halt uranium enrichment work.
    U.N. nuclear inspectors say Tehran held back critical information that could determine whether it is trying to make nuclear weapons.

    Israel, which is believed to have its own nuclear arsenal, conducted a military exercise in the eastern Mediterranean in early June involving dozens of warplanes and aerial tankers.

    The distance involved in the exercise was roughly the same as would be involved in a possible strike on the Iranian nuclear fuel plant at Natanz, Iran, a U.S. military official said.
    In 1981, Israeli warplanes destroyed an Iraqi nuclear reactor.
    Iran's parliament speaker, Ali Larijani, warned other countries against moves that would "cost them heavily." In comments that appeared in the semi-official Mehr news agency Sunday, an Iranian general said his troops were digging more than 320,000 graves to bury troops from any invading force with "the respect they deserve."
    "Under the law of war and armed conflict, necessary preparations must be made for the burial of soldiers of aggressor nations," said Maj. Gen. Mirfaisal Baqerzadeh, an Iranian officer in charge of identifying soldiers missing in action.
    Journalist Shirzad Bozorghmehr in Tehran, Iran, contributed to this report.

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    Oh... this is what Iran has to say about anyone planing to attack them.

    Iran to ready thousands of graves for enemy soldiers

    Iran to ready thousands of graves for enemy soldiers

    Iran is to dig 320,000 graves in border districts to allow for the burial of enemy soldiers in the event of any attack on its territory, a top commander said on Sunday.


    "In implementation of the Geneva Conventions... the necessary measures are being taken to provide for the burial of enemy soldiers," the Mehr news agency quoted General Mir-Faisal Bagherzadeh as saying.

    "We have plans to dig 15,000 to 20,000 graves in each of the border provinces or a total of 320,000," the general said, some of them mass graves if necessary.
    Bagherzadeh said Iran was keen to "reduce the suffering of the families of the fallen in any attack against our country... and prevent any repetition of the long and bitter experience of the Vietnam War."

    His comments came as the United States continued to refuse to rule out an eventual resort to force against Iran over its contested nuclear programme, which the West fears is cover for a drive to build an atomic weapon.
    They also came as Israeli officials spoke of their determination to prevent Iran developing a nuclear capability at all costs.

    A former head of Israel's Mossad foreign intelligence agency said in comments published on Sunday that the Jewish state had one year to destroy Iran's nuclear programme or face the risk of coming under nuclear attack.
    Shabtai Shavit told a London weekly that the "worst-case scenario" was that Tehran would have a nuclear weapon within "somewhere around a year".

    "The time that is left to be ready is getting shorter all the time," he told the Sunday Telegraph. Israel is the only, if undeclared, nuclear armed power in the Middle East.

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    Iran is all fucking talk. I wish we would eliminate them.
    But Israel is gonna do it for us.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    Iran is all fucking talk. I wish we would eliminate them.
    But Israel is gonna do it for us.
    I never forgot the time they had the Hostages back in '79.

    I hope Israeli does, they have enough arms to take care of that country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    Iran is all fucking talk. I wish we would eliminate them.
    But Israel is gonna do it for us.
    I agree 100%.

    Iraq said the same thing. If it wasn't for that dumb ass Bush trying to bring democracy to the savages, the cost in lives would have been in the single digits and the monetary cost would be in the 9s. And it would have only taken a couple of weeks.

    Iran's number one target is Isreal, so they'll be the one to blow up the plant. Just like they did to Iraq.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    I agree 100%.

    Iraq said the same thing. If it wasn't for that dumb ass Bush trying to bring democracy to the savages, the cost in lives would have been in the single digits and the monetary cost would be in the 9s. And it would have only taken a couple of weeks.

    Iran's number one target is Israel, so they'll be the one to blow up the plant. Just like they did to Iraq.
    I can't even imagine how different things would be now, why not go with the same plan of success like that of the Gulf War.

    What we are doing now is not going to stop terrorism, it's going to nurture it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    Iran is all fucking talk. I wish we would eliminate them.
    But Israel is gonna do it for us.
    If Iran is all talk, then they are not a threat, correct?

    IMO, Iran is a whacky nation. Led not by Ahmadinejad, who has no real power, but by the Supreme Council.

    Can Israel knock out the potential nuke sites in a country and vast and spread out as Iran, with its deep bunker facilities?

    Anway, Israelis, American Zionist Jews, and American WASP Neo-cons are pushing for a strike on Iran.

    Let's say there is a strike against Iran.

    It's just a postponement. How many years in the future will Iran be back at work to get nukes?

    Nuclear proliferation will continue. Surgical strikes to stop it, are only a band-aid.
    It's an accurate statement that our current spending will not be increasing the debt We've stopped spending money that we don't have.

    -- Jack Lew, then director of the Office of Management and Budget, in Feb. 16, 2011 testimony before the Senate Budget Committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    I agree 100%.

    Iraq said the same thing. If it wasn't for that dumb ass Bush trying to bring democracy to the savages
    GWB, Pearle, Wolfowitz, and Feith (the latter 3 are Jews) never wanted to bring democracy to the Iraqis.

    The official American policy, dating back to the 1920s, is to have dictatorships in the Middle East?

    Why?

    Because dictatorship brings 1. stability in oil producing nations, and 2. it will exlude Islamic extremists from coming to power in say, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Egypt, and the gulf states of U.A.E., and Oman, and Bahrain.

    The "democracy" card was when I first realized the administration was lying. Americans statistically respond very favorably to "democracy," "freedom" and "liberty."

    This was used to garner public support.

    The last thing the US wants in the Middle East is democracy.

    Look at the US support of the Saud family in KSA. Hosni Mubarak gets the second highest US aid in the world. The USA is now in an oil alliance with Qaddafi in Libya. Hmm.....


    the cost in lives would have been in the single digits and the monetary cost would be in the 9s. And it would have only taken a couple of weeks.
    I am a little confused by your statement above.

    Lawrence Lindsey was asked by the Bush administration to do a cost analysis of the then-coming Iraq war. He predicted at least $1 Trillion.

    Lindsey was the oil point man on Iraq. Telling Americans on his speaking tours to not worry, "the oil will pay for the war."

    He was a part of GWB's Inner circle.

    He released his report on the $1 Trillion cost of Iraq, and was then basically fired.
    It's an accurate statement that our current spending will not be increasing the debt We've stopped spending money that we don't have.

    -- Jack Lew, then director of the Office of Management and Budget, in Feb. 16, 2011 testimony before the Senate Budget Committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoothy View Post

    It's just a postponement. How many years in the future will Iran be back at work to get nukes?

    Nuclear proliferation will continue. Surgical strikes to stop it, are only a band-aid.
    got any better solutions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    I can't even imagine how different things would be now, why not go with the same plan of success like that of the Gulf War.

    What we are doing now is not going to stop terrorism, it's going to nurture it.
    the gulf war left the government in power. this latest war had a completely different goal in mind from the outset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
    the gulf war left the government in power. this latest war had a completely different goal in mind from the outset.
    I still doubt it would make a big difference.

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    A short trip down memory lane.

    The History Guy WebsiteIran-U.S. Hostage Crisis (1979-1981)
    On November 4, 1979, radical Iranian students seized the United States Embassy complex in the Iranian capital of Tehran. The immediate cause of this takeover was the anger many Iranians felt over the U.S. President Jimmy Carter allowing the deposed former ruler of Iran, Shah Reza Pahlavi, to enter the U.S. for medical treatment. In Iran, this was believed to be an opening move leading up an American-backed return to power by the Shah. The crisis which followed this seizure created a near state of war, ruined Jimmy Carter's presidency, and began an environment of hostility between America and Iran which continues to this day.

    Though fear of an American-backed return by the Shah was the publicly stated reason, the true cause of the seizure was the long-standing U.S. support for the Shah's government. Reza Pahlavi ruled Iran from 1941 to 1979, with a brief period of exile in 1953 when he fled to Italy due to a power struggle with Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh. Because Mossadegh's policies and announcements created concern over access to Iranian oil, oil prices, and possible Soviet influence in Iran, the United States and British intelligence services aided Iranian military officers in a coup to overthrow the Prime Minister. After his return to power, the Shah established a very close alliance with the United States. The U.S. supplied weapons, training, and technical knowledge that aided the Shah in modernizing his country. However, the Shah ruled as a dictator, using SAVAK, his secret police, to terrorize his political enemies. The Shah was opposed by both the Marxist Tudeh Party, and by fundamentalist Islamic leaders who believed his policies and his reliance on the Americans were corrupting Iranian society.

    By 1978, unrest against the Shah had escalated into a violent uprising against his authority called the Iranian Revolution or the Islamic Revolution. On January 16, 1979, the Shah fled into exile for a second time, traveling to various countries before finally entering the U.S. for cancer treatments in October, 1979. After the Shah's departure, the Ayatollah Ruholla Khomeini returned from his own exile in France to take power over Iran. Khomeini was a leading member of the Shia Muslim clergy. The Shia are a subset of the Islamic faith, and form the majority of the Iranian population. Vital parts of this Islamic Revolution were propaganda and demonstrations against the United States and against President Jimmy Carter. After the Shah's entry into the U.S., the Ayatollah Khomeini called for anti-American street demonstrations. On November 4, 1979, one such demonstration , organized by Iranian student unions loyal to Khomeini, took place outside the walled compound housing the U.S. Embassy.

    Members of these Iranian student unions scaled the walls of the U.S. Embassy on November 4, 1979, taking 63 Americans hostage. Three more U.S. citizens were taken prisoner at the Iranian Foreign Ministry, for a total of 66 hostages. Within three weeks, the hostage-takers released several women and African-Americans, leaving 53. A sick hostage was later released, reducing the number to 52. Throughout their captivity, the hostages were paraded in front of television cameras, often blindfolded or hooded. Though the hostage-takers were not members of the Iranian government or military, their obvious, publicly-stated loyalty to Khomeini and the Islamic government created an international crisis.
    Immediate official American reactions involved halting oil exports from Iran, expelling many Iranians living in the U.S., and freezing Iranian government assets and investments. Many Americans called for military action to free the hostages, but the situation became much more complicated when the Soviet Union invaded Iran's neighbor, Afghanistan, in order to crush an Islamic-based rebellion against that nation's Marxist government. President Carter now faced a crisis with oil-rich, but hostile Iran, a new Cold War crisis with the Soviets, and a growing sense in his own country that he was increasingly showing himself to be an ineffective leader.

    Partly to counter the criticisms against him, as well as to free the hostages, President Carter ordered a military rescue mission code-named "Operation Eagle Claw." This mission was a total and complete failure resulting in the deaths of eight U.S. military personnel. On April 24, 1980, units of the rescue force landed in the Iranian desert to refuel their aircraft before heading to Tehran. A confusing series of events took place at this refueling point, including failed equipment, and desert sandstorms which reduced visibility. As a result of these problems, the rescue was called off. During the retreat, one of the helicopters collided with a transport airplane, causing an explosion which killed eight members of the rescue mission. Several of the burned American bodies were later part of grisly street demonstrations protesting the abortive U.S. "invasion" of Iran. A second rescue attempt was planned but never implemented, largely due to equipment failure.

    On July 27, 1980, the former Shah died. Then, in September, 1980, President Saddam Hussein of Iraq invaded Iran. These two events led the Iranian government to enter into negotiations with the U.S., with Algeria acting as a mediator.

    Domestically, the Hostage Crisis ruined President Carter's presidency. Unfortunately for him, the one-year anniversary of the embassy takeover fell on the same day as the United States Presidential election of 1980. Carter lost that election to former California Governor Ronald Reagan, who, though never publicly criticizing Carter over the hostage crisis, promised to rebuild American power and influence in the world.
    The negotiations between Iran and the U.S. culminated in a deal that released the hostages and the eight billion dollars worth of frozen Iranian assets. Moments after Ronald Reagan took the oath of office on January 20, 1981, the hostages were allowed to fly out of Iran after 444 days of captivity.

    The legacy of this prolonged crisis continue to affect Iranian-U.S. relations over 25 years later. Iran and the U.S. still do not have official diplomatic relations with each other, and both nations hurl hostile accusations at each other over issues such as the American invasion of Iraq and Iranian nuclear research. The June, 2005 election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as President of Iran opened up old wounds. Several of the former hostages contend that Ahmadinejad was one of the leaders of the student groups that seized the embassy in 1979. The Iranian government denies he had anything to do with the seizure, but it is another sign that tensions remain over the entire episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    I still doubt it would make a big difference.
    the only way to know is to wait till the outcome and see where we are at/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoothy View Post
    If Iran is all talk, then they are not a threat, correct?
    No. I meant in the sense of their threats. I do believe they are trying to get a nuke and will use it on us or Israel. And Israel does have the capabilty to take it out. Will the US be involved somehow. I can almost bet ya they will in some form, although it will be unknown. Sure they will try to rebuild. It will be bombed again.




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    Why did Iran let the hostages go? Because they were afraid of Reagan and the US military response if they didn't.




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    The CIA should have capped Ahmedinejad when he came to the UN.

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    wonderful, maybe Bush can get world war iii started before he leaves office.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
    got any better solutions?
    I stated it. Not explicit, but implied.

    Let Israel deal with Iran, since it's the Israelis and American Jews who've created the big need to attack Iran.

    Solutions? USA does nothing. Iran won't send nukes to America.

    If anyone else cares, then let them deal with it.

    India has nukes, Pakistan has nukes, Israel has nukes.
    It's an accurate statement that our current spending will not be increasing the debt We've stopped spending money that we don't have.

    -- Jack Lew, then director of the Office of Management and Budget, in Feb. 16, 2011 testimony before the Senate Budget Committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brogers View Post
    The CIA should have capped Ahmedinejad when he came to the UN.
    Ahmadinejad is NOT the leader of Iran.

    I've posted this many times.

    Remember when Rafsanjani (the reformer) was President of Iran.

    The US stated that he was only a "figure head" and "puppet." They did this many times.

    Now with Ahmadinejad, he's the new bogeyman, although he has the same position as Rafsanjani.

    The Supreme Council is not that stupid.
    It's an accurate statement that our current spending will not be increasing the debt We've stopped spending money that we don't have.

    -- Jack Lew, then director of the Office of Management and Budget, in Feb. 16, 2011 testimony before the Senate Budget Committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    The History Guy WebsiteIran-U.S. Hostage Crisis (1979-1981)
    The hostages have nothing to do with the current situation.

    The Americans and British went into Iran in 1953 and ousted a democratically elected leader (Dr. Mohamed Mossadegh) over oil.

    The Brits asked Truman, and Truman said no. Then Ike got elected and said, yes.

    The Brits backing the US in Iraq, goes way, way, back.

    Both also invaded Iran in 1944. Over....oil.
    It's an accurate statement that our current spending will not be increasing the debt We've stopped spending money that we don't have.

    -- Jack Lew, then director of the Office of Management and Budget, in Feb. 16, 2011 testimony before the Senate Budget Committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoothy View Post
    I stated it. Not explicit, but implied.

    Let Israel deal with Iran, since it's the Israelis and American Jews who've created the big need to attack Iran.

    Solutions? USA does nothing. Iran won't send nukes to America.

    If anyone else cares, then let them deal with it.

    India has nukes, Pakistan has nukes, Israel has nukes.
    i dont think american jews have done any such thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
    i dont think american jews have done any such thing
    Podherotz is hard-core.

    Lieberman is constantly adding fuel to the fire.

    Many other Jews in US government positions are behind this.


    It's something Americans avoid discussing, but they should. The US media will not dare touch this. Careers will be destroyed. Check it out. You'll surprised...and saddened.
    It's an accurate statement that our current spending will not be increasing the debt We've stopped spending money that we don't have.

    -- Jack Lew, then director of the Office of Management and Budget, in Feb. 16, 2011 testimony before the Senate Budget Committee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoothy View Post
    Ahmadinejad is NOT the leader of Iran.

    I've posted this many times.

    Remember when Rafsanjani (the reformer) was President of Iran.

    The US stated that he was only a "figure head" and "puppet." They did this many times.

    Now with Ahmadinejad, he's the new bogeyman, although he has the same position as Rafsanjani.

    The Supreme Council is not that stupid.
    Did I say that he was the leader of Iran? Your reading comprehension sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoothy View Post
    The hostages have nothing to do with the current situation.
    I know that Big, I was just taking a trip down memory lane.
    I was a teenager when this happened.
    I'll stay in topic next time.

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    Much like Cheney uses Bush as a puppet?

    He is the highest directly elected official in the country; however, according to Article 113[4] of Constitution of Iran, he has much less power than the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of Iran and has the final word in all aspects of foreign and domestic policies

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    That's his wife....I guess I know where the anger orginates from.
    Damn, she is a creepy image if it is a she.


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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    That's his wife....I guess I know where the anger orginates from.
    Damn, she is a creepy image if it is a she.


    I'm waiting for Crono to appear with the obligatory

    "I'd hit it"

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    That's his wife....I guess I know where the anger orginates from.
    Damn, she is a creepy image if it is a she.


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