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no im 5'8 184 pounds i have 4 days till my next inject im gonna try to bump it up to 750mg a week for 2 weeks see what happens im eatin a hell of a lot and training hard so i know those two things arent holding me back....
no im 5'8 184 pounds i have 4 days till my next inject im gonna try to bump it up to 750mg a week for 2 weeks see what happens im eatin a hell of a lot and training hard so i know those two things arent holding me back....
well im gonna do as i said on the 25th inject 750 if nothing still i will try the eod method starting 2nd of may i have some enanthate i was considering stacking if this dont work i want to gain mass everyone said SUS!! but now i have shitty results any hint on what i can use so i can plan out my next cycle?? im also bumping up to 5000 calories a day i hope i dont get fat.....
Here's another possible answer as to why you havent seen substantial gains after 3 weeks, I simply copied this from another link which I will attach:
30mg of prop
60mg of phenylprop
60mg of isocaproate
100mg of deconate
30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benifits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree.
You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week.
60 mg of phenylprop--Phenylprop is not that much different than prop. You can get away with injecting the phenylprop ester every third day.
Anyone that has taken nandrolone with a phenylprop ester knows that it is shorter acting and must be injected twice a week (for example, getwoods powder). If injected twice a week, then lets even cushion the amount, you will have all 120 mg in one week.
To recap, so far this is what you get the first week---180 mg of test in your system.
60mg of Isocaproate--Isocaproate will give you a duration of about a week before it is let go. This is not bad, but at 60 mg you are still not getting enough test to make it worth the time.
100mg of Deconate--Here is the daddy of the four esters. This is the same ester that is used in Decca-Durabolin. The deconate ester should really average out at 2 weeks, but has been said to last up to 3. This ester was added at a 100mg dose to balance out the quicker acting esters used in sustanon
If we review one more time, we can see roughly how much test we will have in our body per week when we use sus, and hopefully you can see it is very low. You can pretty much take out the prop and phenylprop until about week 3 or 4, because once the other esters release the test and it gets time to build up in the system, the prop and phenylprop is useless. Not until around week six are you going to get your test levels high enough to do any good, and if you are on a 10 week cycle and start tapering week 8, then your test have been only relatively high for about 2-3 weeks.
This is what your sustanon cycle looks like if you inject on a once or twice a week basis.
wk1 wk6 wk10 wk12
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So right now you may not have much in the way of short acting esters, and it will take a few weeks for the longer acting esters to start to really add up.
This is precisely why I plan on pinning eod, at 1/2ml and front loading d-bol in order to mitigate the low levels of short acting esters.
In short, you are already 3 weeks in, but I still think you could switch to an eod injection schedule. If you don't make sure you go alls out weeks 6-10.
I hope this has been somewhat helpful. If you do switch please keep us posted with updates.
here is the full link, I suggest you read it, he advocates shooting 1ml every day until you run out and then letting the esters do their work. It's a thought, but I still think that I'll pin every other day, may opt to inject the full ml. Because the fact is you're really not getting 500mg of test every week.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/54283-proper-use-sustanon250.html
Maybe someone can help with the math if you inject 1/2ml every other day are you essentially achieving the same imablanced levels?
Dont blame the gear on your shitty results. With your attitude you will never make any progress. Forget the gear and learn how to eat and train.
STEROIDS are supposed to give you above average results!!
Are you serious guy?? I know very well how to train and diet...thats why i went from 150 to 180 naturally .ive been lifting for four years now ..lets keep in mind that im using STEROIDS!!! for the last 3 and a half weeks. im not saying im not gaining anything, im not gaining anything above normal. ummmm STEROIDS are supposed to give you above average results!! so obviously you dont know that?? hmmmm maybe thats why their illegal and sprts teams cracks down on them so much.. if im using them and i can tell you my training plan and meal plan its great and im not getting anything ummm im blaming it on the "GEAR"!!!!!Steroids are used by just about anyone who wants to increase their muscle size and strength, as well as individuals trying to lose body fat. In the past, their use was mostly seen in college, Olympic, and professional sports, but today, these drugs are being used by both competitive as well as noncompetitive athletes. Teens as young as 12-years-old have reported using these compounds. In general society, firefighters and police officers use them to better handle the daily rigors of their jobs. Bouncers and military personal use them to better prepare their bodies for combat.so i cant believe i wasted my time on your uneducated post.. umm now that you know what steroids are used for by people abusing them like me you can rethink your stupid judgement....
And they do this by vastly increasing the rate at which your body can absorb and utilize protein/calories for an increased rate of muscle repair, recovery, and synthesis of new tissue.
So with this increased potential for muscle gain, how long do you think the calories you eat WITHOUT steroids are going to last? A Corvette will guzzle the fuel it takes to run your scooter in about three seconds, right?
Gear isnt magic. The calories have to come from somewhere, dude. Right now if you're eating the same amount of food as you were when you're off gear, you might as well be OFF THE GEAR. You aren't doing anything with this increased potential.
Get it? EAT MORE.
It's pretty simple. The two long esthers haven't built up in your system yet. The prop alone isn't high enough to make a significant difference in size to this point.
Upping your dosage is simply dumb. Give it a few more weeks and make sure you're eating a good diet at surplus and you'll gain.
If you still don't gain, eat more!
This is fairly basic knowledge and Shadow is just reflecting that. Maybe not in the most delicate way but...
When I ran Sus I pinned EOD. It was a pain but I wanted to take advantage of the short esthers.
IMO, the time it takes for the deconate to kick in doesn't make Sus a very good option. Go with Cyp or E instead. Unless you don't mind pinning ED or EOD then go with prop.
Large,
What would you think about pinning 1/2ml every other day:
15mg of prop
30mg of phenylprop
30mg of isocaproate
50mg of deconate
I'm trying to stabilize test levels throughout the cycle, and would be frontloading d-bol at 25-30mg per day for the first four weeks
I had considered shooting 1ml every other day but I think the test levels would be excessive for me.
At every three days the prop is less effective, so what about going eod but reducing the dosing?
Anyone have educated insight on this possible dosing schedule?
I already have everything in hand so it's going to be pinning eod, but did you pin 1ml eod? Would pinning eod with 1/2ml be the same mechanism for stabilizing levels, or would the decreased amount defeat the purpose? (and again I would front load with d-bol)
I am new to AAS, I did one 10ml cycle of andropen 275 four years ago, and saw very nice results. I just don't want to go nuts and overload on test if I don't need to.
I should have gone with Cyp or E but it's too late so I need to make due as best I can.
i am starting to see myself gaining fat and i know its from all these extra calories im putting in my meal plan i did read what you posted thats why i considered the eod approach if it doesnt work out the other way i also read the link you posted which was the same thing you posted except they they were saying also to maybe try one vial a day for a certain period of time..i dont like that idea at all but... i do take everything you all post into consideration and try to seperate everything i need to know and maybe start or stop doing well i just got back from the gym today was chest and tri's i still felt no stronger but when i got on the scale i weighed 187 cant tell in the mirrior or underneath of weights so im geussing its fat....or the million different meals in my stomach...
Yea, at your level .5ml is about right EOD. I was running it at 1ml EOD. I see nothing wrong with that cycle.
Actually the dbol might not even be needed but I'm sure if you have it already I won't be able to discourage you from running it.
You'll make good gains on the sus alone. If your going to run the dbol keep it at 25ED. No reason to move up from that.
Are you serious guy?? I know very well how to train and diet...thats why i went from 150 to 180 naturally .ive been lifting for four years now ..lets keep in mind that im using STEROIDS!!! for the last 3 and a half weeks. im not saying im not gaining anything, im not gaining anything above normal. ummmm STEROIDS are supposed to give you above average results!! so obviously you dont know that?? hmmmm maybe thats why their illegal and sprts teams cracks down on them so much.. if im using them and i can tell you my training plan and meal plan its great and im not getting anything ummm im blaming it on the "GEAR"!!!!!Steroids are used by just about anyone who wants to increase their muscle size and strength, as well as individuals trying to lose body fat. In the past, their use was mostly seen in college, Olympic, and professional sports, but today, these drugs are being used by both competitive as well as noncompetitive athletes. Teens as young as 12-years-old have reported using these compounds. In general society, firefighters and police officers use them to better handle the daily rigors of their jobs. Bouncers and military personal use them to better prepare their bodies for combat.so i cant believe i wasted my time on your uneducated post.. umm now that you know what steroids are used for by people abusing them like me you can rethink your stupid judgement....
Because your acting like steroids is a protein shake or something when indeed diet and training play a big role but there is nothing wrong with my diet or training...your trying to tell me how to bodybuild naturally i know how to bodybuild naturally...but im not right now im on steroids and i would like to see gains as if i were on steroids...AAAH the history of steroids! such a well educated man! Please tell me the point you are trying to make with that ridiculus post????
Well good news Lindsey Brohan, it looks like your aggressiveness is right on par.
Because your acting like steroids is a protein shake or something when indeed diet and training play a big role but there is nothing wrong with my diet or training...your trying to tell me how to bodybuild naturally i know how to bodybuild naturally...but im not right now im on steroids and i would like to see gains as if i were on steroids...