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    Police officer shoots unarmed man






    Video of California police shooting spurs investigation - CNN.com

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    (CNN) -- A New Year's Day shooting in which a subway police officer fired a deadly shot into the back of an unarmed man has the San Francisco Bay Area demanding answers as authorities appeal for patience.
    Oscar Grant, 22, was killed January 1 in a shooting at a subway station in California's Bay Area.



    Oscar Grant, 22, was killed January 1 in a shooting at a subway station in California's Bay Area.

    Bay Area Rapid Transit spokesman Linton Johnson told CNN affiliate KTVU-TV in Oakland, California, that the officer is presumed innocent and described him as devastated.

    Attorney John Burris called the shooting "unconscionable" and said he filed a $25 million claim with BART on Tuesday, alleging wrongful death and violation of civil rights by use of excessive force. BART has 45 days to respond, Burris said.

    "It's a clear shooting in the back that should not have taken place," Burris said, characterizing the incident as a case of "overagressiveness by police."

    KTVU obtained at least two videos of the incident and its prelude. One video, which KTVU reported came from a train passenger who wished not to be identified, shows three young men against a wall in the crowded Fruitvale station.

    Karina Vargas, who also provided a video to KTVU, said the men had been pulled from the train car in front of hers. Video Watch the events preceding the shooting ยป

    Burris said Tuesday that the young men had been celebrating the new year at a popular waterfront tourist spot, The Embarcadero. They were heading home when police pulled them from the train car.

    Some of the young men were handcuffed, but not 22-year-old Oscar Grant. The video from the anonymous passenger shows Grant seated on the floor with his back against the wall.

    Grant holds up his hands, appearing to plead with police. Burris said Tuesday that Grant was asking police not to use a Taser.

    "He said to them, 'Don't Tase me; I have a 4-year-old daughter,' " Burris said.

    The interaction on the video is not audible.

    Seconds later, police put Grant face-down on the ground. Grant appears to struggle.

    One of the officers kneels on Grant as another officer stands up, tugs at his gun, unholsters it and fires a shot into Grant's back.

    Burris said the bullet went through Grant's back and then ricocheted off the floor and through his lungs.

    Grant, who has a 4-year-old daughter, died seven hours later, KTVU reported.

    "I couldn't believe it. We was already following directions and everything, and they shot him," Fernando Anicete, one of the young men with Grant, told KTVU.

    Burris has spoken to witnesses who claim that Grant was trying to resolve the situation.

    "He had been telling people to calm down. 'Be cool. Just do what they tell you to do,' " the attorney said.

    Johnson said the video provided to KTVU is inconclusive.

    There are two surveillance cameras at the Fruitvale station, but a BART official told CNN that no video is being released at this time.

    The community is outraged, according to local media. CNN affiliate KRON-TV in San Francisco reported that about 20 people rallied Monday outside BART's district headquarters in Oakland.

    "A 22-year-old unarmed father was executed and assassinated, and BART expects us to swallow that the shooting may have been an accident," protest organizer Evan Shamar of Oakland shouted through a bullhorn, according to KRON.

    BART says an investigation is ongoing and hasn't reached any conclusions.

    The San Francisco Chronicle published an editorial Tuesday demanding answers as well.

    "The BART police say that they are taking the investigation very seriously, but they had better find a way to reach out to the public effectively about what is going on and why. Otherwise, public outrage over this case is going to grow exponentially with every passing day," the newspaper said.

    BART Police Chief Gary Gee released a statement this week expressing condolences for Grant's family and saying the authority is cooperating with the Alameda County district attorney's office, which is also investigating.

    Gee added that BART will complete an "unbiased and thorough investigation" and asked the public to be patient.

    "As frustrating as it is, I want to stress that we cannot and will not jeopardize this case by discussing details before the investigation is complete," Gee said.

    Gee provided minor details of what preceded the shooting: BART police received a report that two groups of passengers were involved in an altercation as their train left the West Oakland Station about 2 a.m.

    "BART police officers responded to the platform at Fruitvale and detained several persons," Gee said in his statement.

    BART has not identified the officer, saying only that he has been on the force two years. He has undergone drug and alcohol testing and is on administrative leave, both of which are standard procedure, according to BART.

    The officer has yet to make a public statement.

    Johnson and Gee say they are refraining from releasing further details to avoid compromising the investigation. Johnson further told KTVU that BART wanted to avoid "polluting the potential pool of witnesses."

    Burris, however, said there is no excuse for the use of force on a man being restrained by police. If BART does not grant his $25 million claim or if the authority fails to respond in 45 days, Burris intends to file a lawsuit, he said.

    Burris, who served as Rodney King's co-counsel in King's civil case against the Los Angeles Police Department, said he also wants criminal charges filed against the officer.

    He is pushing the Alameda County District Attorney Tom Orloff to press second-degree murder or involuntary manslaughter charges, he said.

    Second-degree murder charges would be warranted if the officer shot Grant in the back when Grant posed no danger, Burris said. However, there are reports speculating that the officer accidentally shot Grant, in which case involuntary manslaughter charges would be appropriate, Burris said.

    "No one wants to believe a cop would just kill somebody like that," he said. "My view is, this is criminal conduct, period."

    Johnson told KTVU that authorities are trying to determine whether the officer who shot Grant accidentally drew his gun instead of his Taser.

    He also said authorities still need to speak to all the officers but that the BART officers involved in the incident felt outnumbered and called the Oakland Police Department for backup. iReport.com: 'I'm not happy with the state of the police'

    "We need to take our time and go through this thoroughly and try to figure everything out. There's more to this story than this one angle," Johnson told the station.

    Asked whether there were developments Tuesday, Johnson said he had none.
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    Send that piece of shit pig to jail. He wasn't resisting at all in that video so there was absolutely no reason for him to even be thinking about a taser let alone a gun.
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    Horrifying to think that this could be anyone. This could be me, or you, or your friend. Why the hell would he draw a gun, or even a tazer?? Three officers to subdue one man.

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    supposedly the cop thought he drew his taser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
    supposedly the cop thought he drew his taser.
    wow, what a Barney Phife...

    well WOOOOPS!

    He was a cop for 2 years, he should know where everything in his holster is...

    What is his excuse? Someone at the precinct pulled a twisted prank on him and put his pistol where his taser should be, and his taser where his pistol should be?

    Give me a break!
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    also, from what is seen on the video, which seems to show just about everything you need to see, there was no reason to even pull the taser out!

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    ahhh yea, this was already said

    Quote Originally Posted by danzik17 View Post
    Send that piece of shit pig to jail. He wasn't resisting at all in that video so there was absolutely no reason for him to even be thinking about a taser let alone a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait View Post
    Horrifying to think that this could be anyone. This could be me, or you, or your friend. Why the hell would he draw a gun, or even a tazer?? Three officers to subdue one man.

    Outrageous
    said twice lol
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    I say shoot him with a taser and a gun until he can tell the difference.


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    That's just a bunch of B.S.! That dude is not only totally unworthy of being a transit faux cop, cause he doesn't have the perception of touch, overreacts, and obviously was beaten up quite badly by blacks when he was a kid!

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    I think we're gonna see more ignorant shit like this in days to come with everybody packing around cell cameras. Accident or not I'd say this type of thing happens in our time more than we know, its just that no one sees it like this.

    question is.......with shit like this and videos like those form the russian kids (I forget who posted it) floating around are ppl going to become more desensitized to violence or do something about it?

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    Fatal Calif. train station shooting sparks anger - Yahoo! News

    The cop filed for resignation, still under investigation of course

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    Why ya'll blaming the cop, it was the guns fault...everyone knows guns is evil...that gun jumped into his hand and magically fired, man can't ya'll see that?
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    its cops like that, that give guns a bad name...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maniclion View Post
    Why ya'll blaming the cop, it was the guns fault...everyone knows guns is evil...that gun jumped into his hand and magically fired, man can't ya'll see that?
    You are right. Lets put that gun in the prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzik17 View Post
    Send that piece of shit pig to jail. He wasn't resisting at all in that video so there was absolutely no reason for him to even be thinking about a taser let alone a gun.
    He was resisting being handcuffed, and they did what they would normaly do: one cop puts his knee into his back to hold him there and the other draws his taser and fires. It was not a taser however, cop fu%$ed up big time, and that's the issue. He was cuffed after he was shot, which is SOP for any dept no matter the circumstances.

    The tasers were new to the dept (Dec), he was a 2 year cop, which is still rookie territory, and it's possible they had minimal training with it, and or, dealing with it on the belt, etc. Cop had had his first kid like 2 weeks before also, so his head was not where it needed to be which = ugly results.

    The issue of whether cuffs, etc were all needed in the first place will have to be looked at in context to see if the entire event could have been avoided, but vids dont give context and we dont know what was said between the parties, etc.

    Here in Boston, a girl was killed with a pepper gun used by a cop. Went right through her eye. It was really more due to lack of training than any thing else, and lack of training is a common problem as it costs $$$$$ and so it's often after such an even the depts orders all manner of training. I was at the Boston PD training after the pepper ball thing.

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    Nah there is nothing you can say to justify this in my opinion...His mind was elsewhere?

    You can make this excuse for criminals too, that just doesn't cut it...

    Can't feel soft for cops and feel criminals deserve what they get...

    Cops have it rough, there is no such thing as a cut and dry day for them, the job is very edgy, I understand all that, they have bad days..

    Well so do the working class Americans, so do the non working class living in ghettos, they have bad days, they don't want to work just so they can have enough money to live in the ghetto...

    Im taking this discussion a little deeper than it may need to go so Ill stop there, but why would you even stick up for this guy?

    I do believe it was a mistake, but one he should pay for as any other citizen would.
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    Ohhh and I have to add that I do feel bad for this cop if that was a mistake, it is going to suck to live with that on his head, which I do believe it was like I said, I couldn't fathom it not being one, but what the hell? You can't just say wooopsies! I took his life!

    What if the criminal was holding a gun at the police in a stand down and he accidentally pulled the trigger?

    Im sorry but this guy needs to be charged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fetusaurus Rex View Post
    Nah there is nothing you can say to justify
    Explanation does not = justification. If you want to know what was actually going on, and the chain of events that lead to it, you have to know the variables of the event, and those were the variables.

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    I do believe it was a mistake, but one he should pay for as any other citizen would.
    And he may yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Explanation does not = justification. If you want to know what was actually going on, and the chain of events that lead to it, you have to know the variables of the event, and those were the variables.



    And he may yet.
    Why wasn't he cuffed for that though? Why isn't he in a cell with bail? Or is he? I might have missed that part, but he should be.
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    It seems like this news is spreading like a wild fire around the country. May be it is time Uncle Sam should learn one more thing from China to control the puplic opinion.BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China's internet 'spin doctors' By the way, I am not one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chobby192 View Post
    It seems like this news is spreading like a wild fire around the country. May be it is time Uncle Sam should learn one more thing from China to control the puplic opinion.BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China's internet 'spin doctors' By the way, I am not one of them.
    For real?

    Maybe they can feed us horse shit and convince us it tastes good too...

    Let's give the government more and more control, inject us with the Mark of the Beast while they are at it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fetusaurus Rex View Post
    Why wasn't he cuffed for that though? Why isn't he in a cell with bail? Or is he? I might have missed that part, but he should be.
    Not quite that simple. First off, IA will get involved and start an investigation along with top state ivestigators. After they have done a complete investigation and determined what really happened, then they can either make charges or not and that will probably take months.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Fetusaurus Rex View Post
    Why wasn't he cuffed for that though?
    Dude, how old are you? Because there was no reason to. He will be cuffed if he's charged and found guilty after an investigation takes place. You know, due process and all that.
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    And I will add, the actual shooting is not included in the footage, so we do not know what transpired just prior to the shooting and the facts.




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    Quote Originally Posted by WillBrink View Post
    Dude, how old are you? Because there was no reason to. He will be cuffed if he's charged and found guilty after an investigation takes place. You know, due process and all that.
    It happened right in front of their very eyes....

    This is a legitimate question...

    If the police saw a shooting on the street, a murder, would they act then and detain the shooter? Or go back to the station and file a report?

    does this have nothing to do with "the blue wall of silence"...."us vs. them" attitude?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    And I will add, the actual shooting is not included in the footage, so we do not know what transpired just prior to the shooting and the facts.
    Not sure which you saw, but vid I saw you heard "bang" very clearly during the vud, but yes, it was fuzzy. Looked like typical SOP for a person resisting being handcuffed: one cop drops a knee into his back to hold him, the other stands up, draws, and fires what he thought was a taser. See it here:



    The shooting portion is clear enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    And I will add, the actual shooting is not included in the footage, so we do not know what transpired just prior to the shooting and the facts.
    Yes it is.

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