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AP Investigation: Banks sought foreign workers

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AP Investigation: Banks sought foreign workers - Yahoo! News

By FRANK BASS and RITA BEAMISH, Associated Press Writers
Sun Feb 1, 10:47 pm ET
SANTA CLARA, Calif. ??? Major U.S. banks sought government permission to bring thousands of foreign workers into the country for high-paying jobs even as the system was melting down last year and Americans were getting laid off, according to an Associated Press review of visa applications.
The dozen banks now receiving the biggest rescue packages, totaling more than $150 billion, requested visas for more than 21,800 foreign workers over the past six years for positions that included senior vice presidents, corporate lawyers, junior investment analysts and human resources specialists. The average annual salary for those jobs was $90,721, nearly twice the median income for all American households.
As the economic collapse worsened last year ??? with huge numbers of bank employees laid off ??? the numbers of visas sought by the dozen banks in AP's analysis increased by nearly one-third, from 3,258 in the 2007 budget year to 4,163 in fiscal 2008.
The AP reviewed visa applications the banks filed with the Labor Department under the H-1B visa program, which allows temporary employment of foreign workers in specialized-skill and advanced-degree positions. Such visas are most often associated with high-tech workers.
It is unclear how many foreign workers the banks actually hired; the government does not release those details. The actual number is likely a fraction of the 21,800 foreign workers the banks sought to hire because the government only grants 85,000 such visas each year among all U.S. employers.
During the last three months of 2008, the largest banks that received taxpayer loans announced more than 100,000 layoffs. The number of foreign workers included among those laid off is unknown.
Foreigners are attractive hires because companies have found ways to pay them less than American workers.
Companies are required to pay foreign workers a prevailing wage based on the job's description. But they can use the lower end of government wage scales even for highly skilled workers; hire younger foreigners with lower salary demands; and hire foreigners with higher levels of education or advanced degrees for jobs for which similarly educated American workers would be considered overqualified.
"The system provides you perfectly legal mechanisms to underpay the workers," said John Miano of Summit, N.J., a lawyer who has analyzed the wage data and started the Programmers Guild, an advocacy group that opposes the H-1B system.
David Huber of Chicago is a computer networking engineer who has testified to Congress about losing out on a 2002 job with the former Bank One Corp. He learned later the bank applied to hire dozens of foreign visa holders for work he said he was qualified to do.
"American citizenship is being undermined working in our own country," Huber said in an AP interview.
Beyond seeking approval for visas from the government, banks that accepted federal bailout money also enlisted uncounted foreign workers, often in technology jobs, through intermediary companies known as "body shops." Such businesses are the top recipients of the H-1B visas.
The use of visa workers by ailing banks angers Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, the senior Republican on the Senate Finance Committee.
"In this time of very, very high unemployment ... and considering the help these banks are getting from the taxpayers, they're playing the American taxpayer for a sucker," Grassley said in a telephone interview with AP.
Grassley, with Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., is pushing for legislation to make employers recruit American workers first, along with other changes to the visa program.
Banks turned to foreign workers before the current economic crisis, said Diane Casey-Landry, chief operating officer for the American Bankers Association. The group said a year ago that demand exceeded the pool of qualified workers in areas like sales, lending and bank administration. Now with massive layoffs, the situation is different, Casey-Landry said.
The issue takes on a higher profile as the government injects billions of dollars into the economy and President Barack Obama pushes for massive government spending to create jobs nationwide, on top of the $700 billion already approved for the ailing banks.
"You're using taxpayer dollars and there's an expectation that there are benefits to the U.S.," said Ron Hira, a national expert on foreign employment and assistant public policy professor at the Rochester Institute of Technology. "What you're really doing is leaking away those jobs and benefits that should accrue to the taxpayers."
But New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg believes more access to "worldwide talent pools" will better position U.S. financial companies against global competitors, spokesman Andrew Brent said.
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services declined to disclose details on foreign workers hired at the banks that have received federal bailouts. The AP has requested the information under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act.
Nearly all the banks the AP contacted also declined to comment on their foreign hiring practices. Arlene C. Roberts, spokeswoman for State Street Corp. of Boston, which has received $2 billion in bailout money, said the company has reduced H-1B hiring in recent years, and just hires for specialized positions.
Jennifer Scott of Yreka, Calif., a retired technical systems manager at Bank of America in Concord, Calif., said in 2004 she oversaw foreign employees from a contractor firm that also sent overnight work to employees in India.
"It had nothing to do with a shortage, but they didn't want to pay the U.S. rate," she said, adding that the quality of the work was weak. "It's all about numbers crunching."
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Associated Press writer Frank Bass in East Dover, Vt., contributed to this report.
 
time to start shooting bankers. i miss the wild west where if you took a man's money you died for it :banned: now you're handed a bonus to boot. :geewhiz:
 
AP Investigation: Banks sought foreign workers - Yahoo! News

By FRANK BASS and RITA BEAMISH, Associated Press Writers
Sun Feb 1, 10:47 pm ET
SANTA CLARA, Calif. – Major U.S. banks sought government permission to bring thousands of foreign workers into the country for high-paying jobs even as the system was melting down last year and Americans were getting laid off, according to an Associated Press review of visa applications.
The dozen banks now receiving the biggest rescue packages, totaling more than $150 billion, requested visas for more than 21,800 foreign workers over the past six years for positions that included senior vice presidents, corporate lawyers, junior investment analysts and human resources specialists. The average annual salary for those jobs was $90,721, nearly twice the median income for all American households.
I am still waiting to see reactions of fellow posters on this topic. Last time when I talked about illegal Mexicans, I remember being attacked from all different angles by fellow posters. Isn't this some kind of double standard?
 
We need to put a cessation on all pending Work Visa's and Halt Immigration, the first people to be laid off should be foreigners who probably end up sending most of their money back to their home land. Hire thousands more La Migra workers and do Coast to Coast sweeps for Illegal Aliens, get Tom Joad and his family to pick oranges but give them fair wages and build gov. quarters for them on a portion of the farm lands with rent to own privileges. We constantly have over production because the gov. subsidizes farmers, instead ensure their is a balance of variety being planted and harvested instead of so many doing easy crops like corn and soybeans, for every 3 potatoes planted their should be sweet potatoes, yams and other options....it would bring the price down on those things so Americans could afford to vary their meals and we'd be able to get better nutrients in our brains thus making sure our children will grow up without being brain damaged, fat and lazy.....
 
I am still waiting to see reactions of fellow posters on this topic. Last time when I talked about illegal Mexicans, I remember being attacked from all different angles by fellow posters. Isn't this some kind of double standard?

Damn you!
There is no hope for us now that your nemesis is gone. :wits:
 
I am still waiting to see reactions of fellow posters on this topic. Last time when I talked about illegal Mexicans, I remember being attacked from all different angles by fellow posters. Is this some kind of double standard?
What the hell are you talking about, most of us here would rather have those hundreds of thousands of Americans getting these jobs than a Foreigner who isn't likely to be spending much money here, same with illegals....with all of the unemployed we could fill any labor job with an American eager to feed his/her family.....illegals are more likely to be stashing away money so that they can go back to Mexico because they hate the US....not very stimulating for the Economy when money isn't being recirculated back into the system or at least put into banks so that loans can be issued....
 
What the hell are you talking about, most of us here would rather have those hundreds of thousands of Americans getting these jobs than a Foreigner who isn't likely to be spending much money here, same with illegals....with all of the unemployed we could fill any labor job with an American eager to feed his/her family.....illegals are more likely to be stashing away money so that they can go back to Mexico because they hate the US....not very stimulating for the Economy when money isn't being recirculated back into the system or at least put into banks so that loans can be issued....
Please don't get me wrong. I never support the idea of foreingners coming here to take away jobs of Americans. I just don't like double standards. I was expecting to see equal reaction of americans towards the illegal mexicans and foreign workers. These mexicans are doing kind of jobs that almost no americans are willing to do, while those foreingners are taking away the high paying jobs that many americans are struggling to get; yet I noticed that americans seem to turn blind eyes toward these foreign workers. Please note, I am not supporting either of them.
 
This sounds like the H1-b visa and L-1.

Outsourcing is not only a concern, but INsourcing is in the US, now.
 
Please don't get me wrong. I never support the idea of foreingners coming here to take away jobs of Americans. I just don't like double standards. I was expecting to see equal reaction of americans towards the illegal mexicans and foreign workers. These mexicans are doing kind of jobs that almost no americans are willing to do, while those foreingners are taking away the high paying jobs that many americans are struggling to get; yet I noticed that americans seem to turn blind eyes toward these foreign workers. Please note, I am not supporting either of them.
There are Americans who would do the work if they didn't have to work with a bunch of illegal mexicans not speaking english and driving down the wages....you pay an American a decent wage, give him a work environment where he doesn't feel like he's in a foreign country and he will work.
 
There are Americans who would do the work if they didn't have to work with a bunch of illegal mexicans not speaking english and
Cut the crap. Not all americans are racists like doms. They don't mind working with people of different races.

driving down the wages....you pay an American a decent wage, give him a work environment where he doesn't feel like he's in a foreign country and he will work
I agree, but your answer raise another questions in my mind. Aren't these employers americans? Where is their sense of patriotism? Is making profit more important than supporting people and country? Not just the employers in the US, but also those big corporations who run business overseas, I don't think they really care about their country other than their own profit. I see something wrong in them.
 
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The amount of bullshit that goes on at the highest levels of business are beyond my wildest imagination....I am even one of those people that look into conspiracies and sometimes believe a little more in them than I should, only because it usually seems more believable than what the government tells us...

No Im not sitting around with a tin foil hat on hahah not even close to that bad, but the shit these businesses get away with makes me sick!

Im glad they are getting called out now though, hurray for the digging the media does and how they are allowed to spill the beans, I wouldn't doubt the gov trying to censor them though....

It is time they actually get punished though, what is the latest of Madoff btw? These guys need to rot!

Now maybe what the banks did was not illegal but it seems underhanded as fuck.....

Maybe Im taking this a little too far but when is enough enough?
 

I can actually not think of any instance where a business goes, "Will this be good for the country?" before they ask, "Will this be good for profits?"
 
Just like that? Supporting people and country does't mean they will have to give up making profit. They can still make good profit while supporting their fellow citizens and country.
 
Just like that? Supporting people and country does't mean they will have to give up making profit. They can still make good profit while supporting their fellow citizens and country.

Their goal is to maximize profits, thus, in order to attain their goal, the country takes a backseat. Do you think outsourcing of jobs to other countries does anything positive for America? No, it saves the company a buck and allows them to charge less for product, thus selling more while increasing the profit margin.
 
Mino,
I am not try to hi jack your topic, but this question came up while debating on your topic. I am just wondering at what stage these employers and corporations give up their sense of patriotism. I am sure before they became who they are today, they were like ordinary americans who care about fellow citizens and onse own country. Do american business school teach our kids to give up patriotism and embrace materialism at all cost? I think it is good idea to make it mandatory to teach about humanity and patriotism along with their required subjects at business school, so that future employers of US will also care for the country not just for their profit. What do you guys think?
 
Just like that? Supporting people and country does't mean they will have to give up making profit. They can still make good profit while supporting their fellow citizens and country.
It dosent work that way. A company is in business to make money. If they are not able to offer a competitive product they will be out of business and jobs lost. So their main goal is to stay profitable (as they are answerable to the shareholders/owners not to the country's conscience) or they will be shut down. Doing public service things like 'giving back to the community' schemes are to get the public to like them as a company and in turn support their products.
 
Mino,
I am not try to hi jack your topic, but this question came up while debating on your topic. I am just wondering at what stage these employers and corporations give up their sense of patriotism. I am sure before they became who they are today, they were like ordinary americans who care about fellow citizens and onse own country. Do american business school teach our kids to give up patriotism and embrace materialism at all cost? I think it is good idea to make it mandatory to teach about humanity and patriotism along with their required subjects at business school, so that future employers of US will also care for the country not just for their profit. What do you guys think?
I love Hijacks, sometimes hijacked threads turn out to be the best ones.

I think you last saw that during WW2 and into the early 60's. This is a me, me me generation now.

I wonder how patriotic are countries like Germany and Japan....I think the latter put cares more about their Country and Company.
The Japanese are in for life while the Americans could care less if they run a Company to the ground.

I could be wrong.
 
Now there should be somebody in a high place who should have a say in this, the Corps are killing this place....buying politicians.....
 
Cut the crap. Not all americans are racists like doms. They don't mind working with people of different races.
Who is saying it's necessarily a racist thing? It's more of an annoyance thing when you're trying to work and all around you is indecipherable gibberish and you NO BLAHBLAH Español, I had a similar situation in the Navy when I had to do Food Service Duty, 80% of the cooks were filipino and they constantly gabbed in Tagalog, it drove me nuts....I wouldn't want to be stuck in a hot ass field picking tomatoes with noise like that around me.....
 
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It's more of an annoyance thing when you're trying to work and all around you is indecipherable gibberish and you NO BLAHBLAH Español, I had a similar situation in the Navy when I had to do Food Service Duty, 80% of the cooks were filipino and they constantly gabbed in Tagalog, it drove me nuts....I wouldn't want to be stuck in a hot ass field picking tomatoes with noise like that around me.....
I was in the same situation few years ago when a group of somalian employees speaking their language at work place. They were laughing at me while speaking somalian. It made me very uncomfortable. Well..since English is the official language of the country, employer should make sure only English is spoken at work place, even if it is broken English. Any other languages should be forbidden at work place.
 
As teenagers we used to go to Main street, Flushing and go inside a Woolworths and eat a burger and shake in the basement and try the 1000 different types of candies...then go to Sterns....watch a movie in the RKO theater with it's huge screen.
Now it's been replaced by a new Korean town where the vendors are not friendly and the signs are all in Korean.
 
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