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    Broser vs Palumbo - battle of the keto diet




    Here's what I wrote in MD magazine in response to BROSER's first Anti-Keto Diet article...the same article that Blechman said was his best work to date!

    QUESTION:
    In the December issue of MD, Eric Broser wrote an article that listed 7 reasons why a zero carbohydrate diet is bad for bodybuilders. In it, he claimed that low carb diets result in no insulin production, high cortisol, low thyroid, low GH, low IGF-1, a compromised immune system, and impaired gene expression for muscle hypertrophy. What’s the deal with these claims?

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    I really don’t want this to turn into a bash Eric Broser response because I really like the guy and respect what he’s doing in the industry. However, when people make bold statements like this, I feel they must be held accountable for what they say. Let’s start by addressing the statement, “Without any carbs there will be no insulin!” Eric then goes on to explain that without insulin secretion pre- and post-workout, you won’t transport vital nutrients into muscle cells. Anyone who knows anything about biochemistry will realize this statement is completely ludicrous since glucose is constantly being made in the liver via gluocneogenesis (Remember, 80% of the glucose you use during weight training comes from amino acids). In order to shuttle this glucose into the working muscle cells, insulin in required. Likewise, it's important to understand that in a low insulin environment, GH and IGF-1 levels are elevated. IGF-1 can do everything insulin can do (except store fat); and it does it better!

    With regard to the statement that low insulin leads to increased cortisol, I have to remind Mr. Broser that when consuminga high protein/moderate fat/low carb ketogenic diet, cortisol levels will be low (not high) because the brain is feeding on fats. Contrary to what he’s thinking, cortisol levels are much more elevated when on a high protein/moderate carb/low fat because the brain is constantly looking for glucose to feed itself. When blood glucose dips (especially in-between meals), cortisol (a stress hormone) is released and it helps to raise blood sugar by telling the liver to turn amino acids (possibly coming from muscle) into glucose.

    Given the fact that we now know that cortisol levels are low when following a high protein/moderate fat/low carb ketogenic diet, Brosers’ statement, “With more cortisol there will be decreased thyroid function” becomes much more relevant to his high protein/moderate carb/low fat diet. However, what he may have meant to say was thatlow insulin levels can decrease T4 (inactive thyroid hormone) to T3 (active thyroid hormone) thus reducing the output of functional thyroid hormone. This is certainly true and it’s why I recommend a weekly insulin-spiking cheat meal once a week!
    When addressing Broser’s statement that attempts to correlate elevated cortisol with low levels of GH and IGF-1, I have to, once again, remind him that cortisol will be much higher on a diet where the brain is dependent on glucose (i.e. his high protein/moderate fat/low carb diet). While on high protein/moderate fat/low carb ketogenic diets, insulin levels are low, GH levels are high, and IGF-1 levels are also elevated.

    Will the exclusion of carbs pre- and post-workout result in a suppressed immune system? No way! Remember, immune cells are made from protein and fat; therefore, it's insane to think that no pre- or post-workout carbs would have any effect, whatsoever. More likely, the immune system will suffer on a diet that is deficient in essential fatty acids. When Dr Scott Connelly was doing his initial research on burn patients, he found that diets as high as 10,000 calories of carbs per day wouldn't stop patients from withering away and dying of wasting and immune system failure. However, when amino acids and essential fats where added to the IV bags (at a mere 3000 calories) the patients began gaining weight and resisting infection.

    Finally, I’d love for Broser to show me one stitch of research that demonstrates that bodybuilders, who follow a high protein/moderate fat/low carb ketogenic diet, have compromised muscle hypertrophy genes. That’s one study I’d like to read. The problem is that it doesn’t exist.



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    I only posted this because I thought it would start an interesting discussion, I am not taking Dave or Eric's side here, I remain neutral.



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    Considering how much time I spend in ketosis, it's reassuring to read that Dave Palumbo doesn't think I've dried up and blown away in the wind.

    That being said, while I find ketosis very comfortable - it does promote satiety for many of us - I think altogether too much emphasis is placed on that word, and on the hyperbole surrounding it. "Zero" carb - I mean, why would you eat that way? It certainly isn't a requirement for ketogenic dieting, and last time I checked, nobody got fat eating some steamed broccoli with their poached chicken breast! Besides, ketosis isn't behind the fat loss. Reduction of intake is behind weight loss. Retaining muscle ensures FAT loss, and high-protein keto diets, because they reduce the body's reliance on glucose, tend to be muscle sparing.





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    Palumbo had a great response, especially in the last paragraph.
    I wonder, does MD even check references, or do they just throw shit to the wind and see what sticks? This is why I dont buy magazines anymore.
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    LMAO at throwing shit in the wind to see what sticks!

    Jumbo Palumbo does have significant background in this stuff - far more than I do. I seem to recall he got through a few years of med school before figuring out how to make more money than a physician.





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    yes he did, but I think he said he was just bored and really had no desire to work as a doctor.



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    His formal university education in biochem is evident.





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    so my point is, what the hell did MD think when hiring gobro bbing writers with absolutely no formal education. I noticed that when I do open a bbing shit mag, I jump right to the research pages. How do these people in this industry continue to do this? Dont they want to be taken seriously?
    Isnt there some type of filter on these things? Or do they not care and give every shit about money only? Where's the integrity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Built View Post
    LMAO at throwing shit in the wind to see what sticks!
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    It's a business, Juggernaut. The mags are a vehicle to sell product, just like how every other magazine is a vehicle to sell product.

    I don't allow fashion magazines into my home for this reason. They make you feel ugly, then sell you makeup to fix it. I'm fine with it being legal to do this - but I ain't buying.

    For research, I go straight to the source. Why read MD when you can read pubmed?

    <hugs her science degrees lovingly>

    So nice to be able to read research.





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    Quote Originally Posted by juggernaut View Post
    so my point is, what the hell did MD think when hiring gobro bbing writers with absolutely no formal education. I noticed that when I do open a bbing shit mag, I jump right to the research pages. How do these people in this industry continue to do this? Dont they want to be taken seriously?
    Isnt there some type of filter on these things? Or do they not care and give every shit about money only? Where's the integrity?
    YOU REALLY ARE NAIVE.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince View Post
    YOU REALLY ARE NAIVE.
    thank you.

    Ok...I'll bite; Why's that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by juggernaut View Post
    so my point is, what the hell did MD think when hiring gobro bbing writers with absolutely no formal education. I noticed that when I do open a bbing shit mag, I jump right to the research pages. How do these people in this industry continue to do this? Dont they want to be taken seriously?
    Isnt there some type of filter on these things? Or do they not care and give every shit about money only? Where's the integrity?
    Great to voice your opinion..
    You remind alot of the guy I sat next to in typing class in high school.
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    I read through the entire thread @MD about this whole debate, it was full of info. I think its closed now, not sure. I respect both Dave and Erics views on the topic. They both have some type of formal education, again to which i say, I respect!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tank316 View Post
    Great to voice your opinion..
    You remind alot of the guy I sat next to in typing class in high school.
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