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    Intermittent Fasting

    I'm currently on UD2 and absolutely love it. It's a diet meets the perfect workout routine for optimizing fat loss while maintaining if not gaining some muscle.

    It's fantastic, but it's somewhat of a bitch. Very detailed and rigorous. While I'd like to do this forever, it's difficult to fit into one's lifestyle.

    Lyle MacDonald of UD2 seems to be a big fan of Martin Berkhan's "intermittent fasting" approach. These two approaches seem to share traits, but this fasting approach seems like it's easier to fit into your life -- 2 phases (16 hour fasting followed by 8 hours of eating).

    Curious if anyone has tried this?

    P-Funk...I've seen that you're dabbling in fasting.

    This approach intrigues me. And if it's anything like UD2 I'd be super interested.

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    Yeah the intermittent fasting is kinda easy to fit into one's life style, I follow the Eat Stop Eat - 24hr fasting every 3 or 4 days. I started in Feb and so far it seems to be working good .
    P-Funk has posted some very good info on this, you should check the thread Battle of Diets - Part 1.
    read from here ....http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/di...ix-pack-6.html


    PS: I also just bought the Lyles Rapid Fat Loss Handbook, want to shed some fat quickly and then go back to IF for maintenance.
    Last edited by the7zen; 05-17-2009 at 05:56 AM. Reason: included the link to the thread.

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    yea, i have been doing it. it has worked great so far and I am loving the results i have had with it.

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    It sounds easier that's for sure...eating three big meals during an 8 hour period.

    What is annoying about UD2 though is probably it's greatest strength -- if you can stick to it, and basically "do what you're told," you're going to get results. It's all laid out there for you.

    My biggest question with IF is the structure, if there is any. I understand there are macro requirements, but I don't know that there are specific workouts tied to your workout and non-workout day intake.

    P-Funk...are you using this for fat loss or muscle gain?

    I'm eying this post UD2 (4 weeks left + 2 weeks of maintenance) so I can either just enjoy my summer more or because I want to start a slow bulk at my new bf level.

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    You can bulk on UD2.0 as well.

    I kinda do the IF thing - I try to not eat at all until I've been up for about 3-4 hours, then eat only protein and fat meals until around training time, when the rules suddenly change. I'm doing it out of comfort - any small recomposition benefits are a welcome perk, but I'd do it anyway, so long as it wasn't deleterious to my progress.

    Read up on it and let us know what you end up doing.





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    Built,

    Thanks much. I'm definitely in the investigation phase right now with IF just as I was with UD2 a couple months ago.

    Much kudos to juggernaut on guiding me through UD2. He's been a great help.

    As for UD2 bulk, I can't seem to run into anyone who speaks to the "mass version" of UD2 as passionately as the fat loss version. The fat loss version works so damn well, I'm shocked that I haven't run into more advocates. You'd think it would be so damn easy post regular UD2 -- just up the damn calories on days 1 -3 and 6 and 7!

    As for IF, I historically don't get too hungry until around noon anyway so I could easily see an "eat window" from 2 pm - 10 pm and then a fasting window from 10pm - 2pm. No biggie. Almost seems too easy.

    I need to look into this, but I'm thinking summer could be the perfect time to experiment with something like this...unless I'm so damn excited about UD2 results that I quickly turn to the mass version.

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    I think the easiest way to do it would be to up the calories on days 6 and 7. You could still potentially control fat gain by leaving the rest of the days as they are.





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    Quote Originally Posted by kyoun1e View Post
    It sounds easier that's for sure...eating three big meals during an 8 hour period.

    What is annoying about UD2 though is probably it's greatest strength -- if you can stick to it, and basically "do what you're told," you're going to get results. It's all laid out there for you.

    My biggest question with IF is the structure, if there is any. I understand there are macro requirements, but I don't know that there are specific workouts tied to your workout and non-workout day intake.

    P-Funk...are you using this for fat loss or muscle gain?

    I'm eying this post UD2 (4 weeks left + 2 weeks of maintenance) so I can either just enjoy my summer more or because I want to start a slow bulk at my new bf level.

    KY
    At first I did it 2x's a week (24-hour fasts) to see what it was like, after checking out the Eat-Stop-Eat book by Brad Pilon. I dropped 8lbs in 5 weeks. So now I just do one 24-hour fast every week and then eat normally on the other days.

    I am not using it for either fat loss or muscle gain, as I have no physique goals (only goals of strength and performance), so I mainly do it because I feel pretty good when I do it once a week, I want to try it out after checking out the book, and it has really changed my body composition (which is an awesome plus, even though I don't have physique goals).

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    I do a form of IF I guess, although I have yet to do any real reading on it (unemployed and broke = no money for books). I basically fast for about 12-14hrs/day for the very simple reason that I then get to eat 3-4 big meals in a very short time period. This works for me as I am trying to shed some unwanted pounds and eating like a woman. It just feels nice to eat 800kcals before bed, feels like a feast. I don't go by any strict guidelines, instead, like Built, I just put breakfast off for a few hours after waking to bunch my food closer together. First few days to a week my body was getting used to it and I'd get a hunger pang or two but I would just drink a glass of water and it would go away. I'm at the point now where I almost have to remind myself to start eating because if I wait too long, it gets to where I have a tough time getting all the kcals in for the day (I never thought I'd say that while in a deficit).
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    Isn't that part just awesome? I am SO glad I got the hell away from breakfast! Worst habit I ever developed.





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    Do you get used to stuffing your face in the "eating window?"

    I've had trouble in the past trying to eat enough to bulk. I just can't force that food down my throat. I can't imagine sucking 3,500 calories in over the course of 8 hours.

    IF seems really loosey goosey. Unless more details are coming out in the book, it doesn't sound like there is a specific workout routine tied to this?

    That's what I love about UD2 - specific diet meets specific workouts. No room for ambiguity.

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    I don't stuff my face in the "eating window". You should just go back to normal eating. It isn't about pigging out and gording yourself! It is about not eating for 24-hours and then just starting your feeding like you normally would.

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    So depending on your objective, do you set any daily caloric or macro goals?

    I'm so used to counting everything on UD2 I find it unimaginable to just...well...eat until I'm full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyoun1e View Post
    So depending on your objective, do you set any daily caloric or macro goals?

    I'm so used to counting everything on UD2 I find it unimaginable to just...well...eat until I'm full.

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    I don't.

    I have counted calories and macronutrients for so many years that I know what it takes to maintain my body weight and I pretty much consistently eat the same types of meals day in and day out. So, I just fast, and then go right back to my normal diet.

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