My routine good enough for PH use?

DIVINITUS · 06-13-2009, 08:10 PM

Excuse the odd thread title, but I have done some reading lately that might suggest my training split isn't optimal for my goals. I am reversing course and bulking for at least the next 60-80 days. I will be starting 1-Andro Rx on Monday and have upped my calories considerably this week to get ready. Here is my current routine:

Mon/upper push: Flat Bench, Incline Bench, dumbell press, weighted dips, triceps pushdowns (rope)

Wed/lower: Squat, deadlift, good mornings, leg press, farmer's walks

Fri/Upper pull: T-bar rows, seated rows, chins, reverse dumbell fly's, barbell curls

I do 4 sets of everything (except tri and bi isolation...that's 3) and lift in the 4-8 rep range. I just started this about 4 weeks ago and like it, but I have also read recently that I should work muscles about every 5 days, but with my current split is it too much rest as I rest on Tues, Thurs (one HIIT session) and the weekends?

My intensity is pretty awesome lately, but while I'm on the 1-Andro, should I consider a different split? 4 days? 5 days? I would like to keep it to 3 days, but if my results would be greater on something else, I'm willing to give it a try...what do ya'll think?

DIVINITUS · 06-14-2009, 06:51 PM

Anyone? I guess I will stick with it for the next four weeks or so, I was mainly concerned with not working my muscles frequently enough on the 1-Andro. I am looking to get the most out of it bulk wise. I just read up on Lyle McDonald's generic bulk routine...might give that a try too, can't decide.

juggernaut · 06-14-2009, 11:02 PM

how old are you anyway?

DIVINITUS · 06-15-2009, 12:09 AM

juggernaut · 06-15-2009, 07:31 AM

throw out the goddamn magazines. You're reading too much.

DIVINITUS · 06-15-2009, 05:17 PM

Well...I got the notion of working muscles every 5 days or so from Lyle's site...not a magazine, thats why I started to consider a change, mainly because I feel my body responds pretty quickly from training when I eat enough.

T_man · 06-15-2009, 06:33 PM

the questions is are YOU good enough for pH??

Just wait until you've hit the wall before using pH

DIVINITUS · 06-15-2009, 08:07 PM

I follow your logic, but I do feel at this time that I am experienced enough to try out the 1-Andro. I am trying to switch up routines and such to avoid hitting a wall and so far I am really digging it...if anything, trying new routines every 6-7 weeks has kept me focused and driven more than ever, which is a great tool for me.

juggernaut · 06-16-2009, 06:23 AM

T brings up a great point. I would like to know what the diet is like, grams only, your height, weight and years of training.

T_man · 06-16-2009, 08:08 AM

i keep typing ph as if i'm talking about acidity
damn biology & chem lessons made it my nature

juggernaut · 06-16-2009, 11:55 AM

yeah me too

DIVINITUS · 06-16-2009, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

T brings up a great point. I would like to know what the diet is like, grams only, your height, weight and years of training.

I have trained with weights for about 4 years with a break in the middle.

6' tall.

212 pounds.

I eat between 3500-3800 calories a day, depending on whether it's a training day. I eat at least 230g of protein every day. 150g of fat a day...and to be honest, i stopped counting carbs as much after I decided to bulk recently. I don't gorge on junk by any means, but I write down all my food throughout the day and once I meet my protein and fat goals, I eat to get my cals in.

I supplement with a multi, whey, vitamin C and some ZMA before bed.

juggernaut · 06-16-2009, 08:30 PM

now that I know this, I wouldnt do a PH. Quite honestly youre probably overweight. I'd cut first, getting to 10% BF and then do a ud2 bulk. Better off.

DIVINITUS · 06-16-2009, 10:09 PM

Well, thanks. I don't consider myself overweight, but I guess for around here I am. I am choosing to bulk because I want more muscle and strength. I hate lifting and losing fat/strength, as I do when cutting. Nothing deflates me more than watching the poundage drop off my lifts so here I am. I will bulk for two months, post up some pics and then shed some fat.

I talked to Built a little bit about this and she directed me to UD2.0 aswell. After talking to her I decided to bulk before trying to lean out a bit...

m11 · 06-17-2009, 12:51 AM

off topic, but i'm a big fan of the clavicle tattoos. i havent committed to the tattoo yet but this is the necklace that I wear each day.

juggernaut · 06-17-2009, 03:37 AM

Personally, I think youre going in thr wrong direction by bulking. Built has a good point. UD2 would be the way to go-just get down to 10% and then bulk. But you can also bulk using the UD2.
Also, why not try a PH that gears itself towards cutting?

DIVINITUS · 06-17-2009, 05:00 AM

What is the benefit to cutting now, then bulking as opposed to bulking now, getting bigger and then cutting? I know I would have more fat on me, but also more muscle. Seems like 6 of one and half dozen of another to me...

juggernaut · 06-17-2009, 05:51 AM

It's like starting out with an empty canvas. The gradual surplus of calories after cutting also enables you to partition better at a lower BF percentage.

diablomex · 06-17-2009, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DIVINITUS

I have trained with weights for about 4 years with a break in the middle.

6' tall.

212 pounds.

I eat between 3500-3800 calories a day, depending on whether it's a training day. I eat at least 230g of protein every day. 150g of fat a day...and to be honest, i stopped counting carbs as much after I decided to bulk recently. I don't gorge on junk by any means, but I write down all my food throughout the day and once I meet my protein and fat goals, I eat to get my cals in.

I supplement with a multi, whey, vitamin C and some ZMA before bed.

sometimes i wonder why all these people talk about going down to 10% bodyfat.i think, sure we all are shooting for the best physic.but we're not all shooting for the pros.but no disrespect, but you dont look like you've been working out for 4 yrs.sometimes , talking in these forums is like going to the gym to workout...then some skinny guy ,tells you how to work out.some people got to be realistic.

T_man · 06-17-2009, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diablomex

sometimes i wonder why all these people talk about going down to 10% bodyfat.i think, sure we all are shooting for the best physic.but we're not all shooting for the pros.but no disrespect, but you dont look like you've been working out for 4 yrs.sometimes , talking in these forums is like going to the gym to workout...then some skinny guy ,tells you how to work out.some people got to be realistic.

juggernaut · 06-17-2009, 07:33 PM

First who is it that you're referring to as a skinny guy? Second how do you what 4 years of lifting looks like on him? Third, as a former fat fuck, getting down to single digits and explaining to all of my clients to do that first enables them to partition calories a helluva lot more efficiently, as this has been proven in studies related to this suibject. And btw-10% while competing just doesn't happen-so what pros or amateurs are you talking about?

Quote:

Originally Posted by diablomex

sometimes i wonder why all these people talk about going down to 10% bodyfat.i think, sure we all are shooting for the best physic.but we're not all shooting for the pros.but no disrespect, but you dont look like you've been working out for 4 yrs.sometimes , talking in these forums is like going to the gym to workout...then some skinny guy ,tells you how to work out.some people got to be realistic.

T_man · 06-17-2009, 08:16 PM

well you cant really tell how long someone has been lifting on a bulk.

He looks like if he cuts he will have one sweet physique, just a matter of bf

diablomex · 06-17-2009, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

First who is it that you're referring to as a skinny guy? Second how do you what 4 years of lifting looks like on him? Third, as a former fat fuck, getting down to single digits and explaining to all of my clients to do that first enables them to partition calories a helluva lot more efficiently, as this has been proven in studies related to this suibject. And btw-10% while competing just doesn't happen-so what pros or amateurs are you talking about?

hey , calm down. i stay to what i say.cussing is not gonna change what i say. ive meen working out over 6 yrs. im no trainer or nutrition expert.but we have to be real.so sorry you were a fat ass. but that doesnt mean everyone has to have to be at 10%.if your in a pro or amateur bodybuilding competition, thats diferent.or if you just wanna go that route.but thats not mandotary.if we wanna hear that kinda chatter,we'll just pick up a magazine and workout 6 times a week.the problem is that we have to be careful and real on what we tell people.so defensive.

T_man · 06-18-2009, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diablomex

hey , calm down. i stay to what i say.cussing is not gonna change what i say. ive meen working out over 6 yrs. im no trainer or nutrition expert.but we have to be real.so sorry you were a fat ass. but that doesnt mean everyone has to have to be at 10%.if your in a pro or amateur bodybuilding competition, thats diferent.or if you just wanna go that route.but thats not mandotary.if we wanna hear that kinda chatter,we'll just pick up a magazine and workout 6 times a week.the problem is that we have to be careful and real on what we tell people.so defensive.

these people ARE careful and real.
even moreso this is the correct information because it's based on scientific research and most importantly they are not trying to sell it to you. So they give you the correct information. They're trying to help, but people like you are just to ignorant to accept that information and think you know better. Well, you don't.

juggernaut · 06-18-2009, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diablomex

hey , calm down. i stay to what i say.cussing is not gonna change what i say. ive meen working out over 6 yrs. im no trainer or nutrition expert.but we have to be real.so sorry you were a fat ass. but that doesnt mean everyone has to have to be at 10%.if your in a pro or amateur bodybuilding competition, thats diferent.or if you just wanna go that route.but thats not mandotary.if we wanna hear that kinda chatter,we'll just pick up a magazine and workout 6 times a week.the problem is that we have to be careful and real on what we tell people.so defensive.

dont tell me to calm down fucko. This is what you recieve when throw comments like that without explantion. You do understand that your grammar is shit, and I am having a hard time reading teenage drivel. Clearly state what you are saying. And stop using words you have no business using.

diablomex · 06-18-2009, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

dont tell me to calm down fucko. This is what you recieve when throw comments like that without explantion. You do understand that your grammar is shit, and I am having a hard time reading teenage drivel. Clearly state what you are saying. And stop using words you have no business using.

what a grownup.

diablomex · 06-18-2009, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_man

these people ARE careful and real.
even moreso this is the correct information because it's based on scientific research and most importantly they are not trying to sell it to you. So they give you the correct information. They're trying to help, but people like you are just to ignorant to accept that information and think you know better. Well, you don't.

and thats fine.but remember , everybody is not trying to be in the pros.i always appreciate,everybodies input in these forums.dont get me wrong,sometimes i just think is it what everybodies looking for.im sorry, that people like me,feel this way sometimes.i guess maybe, im just thinking outloud.and theirs nothing wrong with that.

T_man · 06-18-2009, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diablomex

and thats fine.but remember , everybody is not trying to be in the pros.i always appreciate,everybodies input in these forums.dont get me wrong,sometimes i just think is it what everybodies looking for.im sorry, that people like me,feel this way sometimes.i guess maybe, im just thinking outloud.and theirs nothing wrong with that.

well when you come to the forums and ASK for help, don't you want to be given the best advice possible?? these guys aint trying to sell u shit but trying to help.

I don't see why you're even on these forums with an attitude like that. He can go on and use that PH and fuck himself up if he wants seeing as he's just an "ordinary guy" then, his health doesn't matter, he's not a pro

diablomex · 06-18-2009, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_man

well when you come to the forums and ASK for help, don't you want to be given the best advice possible?? these guys aint trying to sell u shit but trying to help.

I don't see why you're even on these forums with an attitude like that. He can go on and use that PH and fuck himself up if he wants seeing as he's just an "ordinary guy" then, his health doesn't matter, he's not a pro

wow.i do hear what your saying,and i do believe that also on the first part.and im not downing nobody,if someone thinks that, i apoligize . i mean no disrespect . and if we're gonna make our points.we can do it respectfully. and i never said anybody was trying to sell anything,get it right.and i never said anything about him doing a ph.actually i agree with him. i think he should do his ph, bulk up some more,until he's happy.then cut , if he wants to.if he wants to follow you guys advice,thats fine too.i was talking about something else.obviously, you did'nt get what i meant .oh well,it all good.but i think you need to hear what your saying, on the second part.ive been on these forums,for a long time now and not only on this one.and all i have to say is,theirs always is a first.wow.i have a attitude.

danzik17 · 06-18-2009, 06:34 PM

diablomex:

You do realize that using a PH or Andro of any kind while at a high BF level is a recipe for bitch tits, correct?

Adipose tissue and aromatase levels are directly related; the more of one, the more of the other. That means that when you have a lot of fat, that test you're shooting or creating via a PH will be turned into estrogen at greater levels in someone who is fat rather than someone who is lean.

You should do your homework before complaining about other people's advice.

06-13-2009, 08:10 PM	#1
DIVINITUS It's a deep burn... Join Date: May 2003 Location: Homebase somewhere in MA Posts: 182	My routine good enough for PH use? Excuse the odd thread title, but I have done some reading lately that might suggest my training split isn't optimal for my goals. I am reversing course and bulking for at least the next 60-80 days. I will be starting 1-Andro Rx on Monday and have upped my calories considerably this week to get ready. Here is my current routine: Mon/upper push: Flat Bench, Incline Bench, dumbell press, weighted dips, triceps pushdowns (rope) Wed/lower: Squat, deadlift, good mornings, leg press, farmer's walks Fri/Upper pull: T-bar rows, seated rows, chins, reverse dumbell fly's, barbell curls I do 4 sets of everything (except tri and bi isolation...that's 3) and lift in the 4-8 rep range. I just started this about 4 weeks ago and like it, but I have also read recently that I should work muscles about every 5 days, but with my current split is it too much rest as I rest on Tues, Thurs (one HIIT session) and the weekends? My intensity is pretty awesome lately, but while I'm on the 1-Andro, should I consider a different split? 4 days? 5 days? I would like to keep it to 3 days, but if my results would be greater on something else, I'm willing to give it a try...what do ya'll think? "Can you please just shut the fuck up? You're blocking what could otherwise be a good thread discussion. No one cares about your shit " Juggernaut

06-14-2009, 06:51 PM	#2
DIVINITUS It's a deep burn... Join Date: May 2003 Location: Homebase somewhere in MA Posts: 182	Anyone? I guess I will stick with it for the next four weeks or so, I was mainly concerned with not working my muscles frequently enough on the 1-Andro. I am looking to get the most out of it bulk wise. I just read up on Lyle McDonald's generic bulk routine...might give that a try too, can't decide. "Can you please just shut the fuck up? You're blocking what could otherwise be a good thread discussion. No one cares about your shit " Juggernaut

06-15-2009, 12:09 AM	#4
DIVINITUS It's a deep burn... Join Date: May 2003 Location: Homebase somewhere in MA Posts: 182	30 "Can you please just shut the fuck up? You're blocking what could otherwise be a good thread discussion. No one cares about your shit " Juggernaut

06-15-2009, 05:17 PM	#6
DIVINITUS It's a deep burn... Join Date: May 2003 Location: Homebase somewhere in MA Posts: 182	Well...I got the notion of working muscles every 5 days or so from Lyle's site...not a magazine, thats why I started to consider a change, mainly because I feel my body responds pretty quickly from training when I eat enough. "Can you please just shut the fuck up? You're blocking what could otherwise be a good thread discussion. No one cares about your shit " Juggernaut

06-15-2009, 06:33 PM	#7
T_man Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,247 Photos: 1	the questions is are YOU good enough for pH?? Just wait until you've hit the wall before using pH Cheat on your girlfriend, not on your meal.

06-14-2009, 11:02 PM	#3
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	how old are you anyway?

06-15-2009, 07:31 AM	#5
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	throw out the goddamn magazines. You're reading too much.

06-15-2009, 08:07 PM	#8
DIVINITUS It's a deep burn... Join Date: May 2003 Location: Homebase somewhere in MA Posts: 182	I follow your logic, but I do feel at this time that I am experienced enough to try out the 1-Andro. I am trying to switch up routines and such to avoid hitting a wall and so far I am really digging it...if anything, trying new routines every 6-7 weeks has kept me focused and driven more than ever, which is a great tool for me. "Can you please just shut the fuck up? You're blocking what could otherwise be a good thread discussion. No one cares about your shit " Juggernaut

06-16-2009, 06:23 AM	#9
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	T brings up a great point. I would like to know what the diet is like, grams only, your height, weight and years of training.

06-16-2009, 08:08 AM	#10
T_man Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,247 Photos: 1	i keep typing ph as if i'm talking about acidity damn biology & chem lessons made it my nature Cheat on your girlfriend, not on your meal.

06-16-2009, 11:55 AM	#11
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	yeah me too

06-16-2009, 08:30 PM	#13
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	now that I know this, I wouldnt do a PH. Quite honestly youre probably overweight. I'd cut first, getting to 10% BF and then do a ud2 bulk. Better off.

06-16-2009, 10:09 PM	#14
DIVINITUS It's a deep burn... Join Date: May 2003 Location: Homebase somewhere in MA Posts: 182	Well, thanks. I don't consider myself overweight, but I guess for around here I am. I am choosing to bulk because I want more muscle and strength. I hate lifting and losing fat/strength, as I do when cutting. Nothing deflates me more than watching the poundage drop off my lifts so here I am. I will bulk for two months, post up some pics and then shed some fat. I talked to Built a little bit about this and she directed me to UD2.0 aswell. After talking to her I decided to bulk before trying to lean out a bit... "Can you please just shut the fuck up? You're blocking what could otherwise be a good thread discussion. No one cares about your shit " Juggernaut

06-17-2009, 12:51 AM	#15
m11 www.liftstrong.com Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: FL Posts: 857	off topic, but i'm a big fan of the clavicle tattoos. i havent committed to the tattoo yet but this is the necklace that I wear each day. Getting Started by Built LG Sciences Board Representative These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, do not constitute medical advice, and are not official or authorized comments by LG Sciences, LLC.

06-17-2009, 03:37 AM	#16
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	Personally, I think youre going in thr wrong direction by bulking. Built has a good point. UD2 would be the way to go-just get down to 10% and then bulk. But you can also bulk using the UD2. Also, why not try a PH that gears itself towards cutting?

06-17-2009, 05:00 AM	#17
DIVINITUS It's a deep burn... Join Date: May 2003 Location: Homebase somewhere in MA Posts: 182	What is the benefit to cutting now, then bulking as opposed to bulking now, getting bigger and then cutting? I know I would have more fat on me, but also more muscle. Seems like 6 of one and half dozen of another to me... "Can you please just shut the fuck up? You're blocking what could otherwise be a good thread discussion. No one cares about your shit " Juggernaut

06-17-2009, 05:51 AM	#18
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	It's like starting out with an empty canvas. The gradual surplus of calories after cutting also enables you to partition better at a lower BF percentage.

06-17-2009, 08:16 PM	#22
T_man Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,247 Photos: 1	well you cant really tell how long someone has been lifting on a bulk. He looks like if he cuts he will have one sweet physique, just a matter of bf Cheat on your girlfriend, not on your meal.

06-18-2009, 06:34 PM	#30
danzik17 Gender: MALE Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,072	diablomex: You do realize that using a PH or Andro of any kind while at a high BF level is a recipe for bitch tits, correct? Adipose tissue and aromatase levels are directly related; the more of one, the more of the other. That means that when you have a lot of fat, that test you're shooting or creating via a PH will be turned into estrogen at greater levels in someone who is fat rather than someone who is lean. You should do your homework before complaining about other people's advice. Ron Paul 2012 Journal: danzik17's Log - 4-6 Week Strength/Bulk Journal: Sub 10% by April <old>

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