Please Lift Strictly !!!

**gopro** · 08-10-2002, 10:10 AM

I can't stand going to the gym and seeing guys with horrible lifting form, usually brought on by the desire to handle heavier weights...either in an effort to look cool, or the misguided attempt to get bigger!

Putting aside the use of "controlled cheating," a real technique that when used properly can extend a set "beyond failure," cheating during your exercises is only taking the load OFF OF your target muscle and placing it onto your tendons and ligaments.

Please, if you want to get huge, lift with a complete range of motion, control the negative, and focus on the muscle you intend on working. If this means lowering your poundages a bit, than DO IT!!! Eventually, you will be back up to your former weights, and you'll be carrying a hell of alot more muscle.

I'm much more impressed seeing someone squat 275 for 10 reps to rock bottom, than someone squat 455 for 10 meaningless quarter reps!

LIFT STRICT AND GGGRRROOOWWWW!!!!!!

**Mudge** · 08-10-2002, 10:14 AM

Its annoying, but I try to ignore them as best I can.

Scotty the Body · 08-10-2002, 10:20 AM

I like the guys with crappy form, it reminds me to always watch mine and lift smartly, its kept me injury free for a very long time now.

LAM · 08-12-2002, 06:29 PM

the funny thing about the "ego" lifters is that they never truely get strong or muscular ! ha..ha..ha

**gopro** · 08-12-2002, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LAM
the funny thing about the "ego" lifters is that they never truely get strong or muscular ! ha..ha..ha

Exactly...thats my point!

Neil · 08-12-2002, 10:45 PM

I think I've learned to block these idiots out although sometimes you just can't miss them. I saw some guys doing cheat curls on a smith machine with mucho body english the other day. Unbelievable.

KarlW · 08-13-2002, 05:35 AM

or DB shrugs where they roll their shoulders back in half a second and hardly lift the damn things........what is that? is that a valid exercise ?

101Tazman · 08-13-2002, 06:17 AM

Lam, your right EGO is the right word. Last time I check muscle don't know how much weight your lifting! They do know resistance and intenstity though.

**Mudge** · 08-13-2002, 06:20 AM

I would not recommend rolling the shoulders, its a great way to injure yourself.

Just pull up and "touch the ears", and your fine with traps, don't stick your neck out either, I lean mine forward a bit but you want to avoid straining the neck outwards.

**gopro** · 08-13-2002, 06:32 AM

Yes, these weightlifting "morons" are all over the place and I have come to the conclusion that the #1 reason that most people do not make the gains they wish is not because of genetics or a bad diet, as much as poor lifting form!

Another thing that encourages this terrible form is guys that are using steroids and lifting this way! Of course, when you're on gear you can grow regardless of your exercise form...when some of the teens see these guys growing while cheating their brains out, they figure thats the right way to go. Then of course when they don't grow they either quit or go on steroids too. SAD!

**gopro** · 08-13-2002, 06:42 AM

Case in point...yesterday I was about to begin training chest when this guy asked me to spot him on flat dumbell presses. I said "sure!"

Well, he grabs the 130s and asks that I help him up with the first rep. He lays down and we push the dumbells up...I knew there was a problem when I felt a huge bicep pump from helping him lift those dumbells.

Anyway, he proceeds to bring the dumbells down about 2 inches and screams as he pushes them back up. After about 3 of these pathetic reps he yells, "spot!" So I grab his shaking elbows and he gets 3 more 1-2 inch reps.

Instead of saying anything to him I decided to quietly teach him a lesson. I asked if I could work in with him on the bench and he agreed. I didn't even do a warmup set. I just grabbed the 150s and layed down. He was like, "do you need a spot?" I said, "nah, I got em."

I then proceeded to do 8 full range reps with a pause at the bottom and about a 15 second negative after the last rep. The look on his face was priceless as he said, " Um, that was my last set...I'm done here."

Buddy, you were done before you even started!

**Mudge** · 08-13-2002, 07:37 AM

GP, what you said in your post about roids makes me wonder, because I did see a guy who was about 6'1", probably close to 22" arms if not that, and around 4% bodyfat or so, only saw him once in the gym. He was doing barbell curls with a modest weight, but lifting like a real jackass, and I was wondering does he lift like this all the damn time?

Prime candidate for roids useage, and probably a competitor because he was so big and ripped, so I figured he was just passing through for a competition (was a couple months ago in San Fran area). Unfortunately he was a bad example to alot of young small chinese guys in the gym, who instantly added about 20 pounds to everything they were doing, as well as alot of slop and girlish grunting.

A shame to see that kind of stuff!

You go with the 150s you bad man!

I'm getting a little stronger, but no size for the last 3 weeks except a tad on my back

**gopro** · 08-13-2002, 07:47 AM

Yup, thats just what I mean Mudge! In fact, I'm sorry to say, but when I lived in California I trained alongside several pros, and a few had such poor form I could hardly believe my eyes. Yet, they were freaks. I always wondered how they could look if they lifted properly!

As for the 150s...I'm still trying to convince the owner of my gym to get some heavier ones!!!!

**Mudge** · 08-13-2002, 07:49 AM

I have also seen footage of Lou Ferrigno etc, using short rep ranges for things like overhead presses, and I wondered if it was to better isolate only the delts and not use triceps so much? Since I notice at the end of pressing movements seems to be most taxing on my triceps... or is it simply to use heavier weights, or just slop or ? hmm

LAM · 08-13-2002, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gopro
Buddy, you were done before you even started!

LMAO ! ain't that the truth.

08-13-2002, 04:10 PM

Gopro speaks the truth

Also,
I always see people who never get a good negative on the last rep of a set.
For example,
on lat pulldowns alot of people just let the weight go
instead of concentrating on getting a good negative on the last rep.
These people think that they have just cpmpleted a 10 rep set when in actuality it was a 9 and 1/2 rep set.
The last few negatives of a set is what seperates the men from the boys.

**gopro** · 08-13-2002, 06:07 PM

Great comments from all. I can see all of you can totally relate to what I'm saying. This problem spans the globe. I'd like to arrange a weightlifting police force that has the authority to arrest those with horrible form on the spot!

Neil · 08-13-2002, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gopro
I'd like to arrange a weightlifting police force that has the authority to arrest those with horrible form on the spot!

Sign me up!

**gopro** · 08-14-2002, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Neil

Sign me up!

You're in !!! Anyone else ??

101Tazman · 08-14-2002, 05:47 AM

count me in!

**gopro** · 08-14-2002, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 101Tazman
count me in!

2 members already!!! Who else?!

08-10-2002, 10:10 AM	#1
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,504	Please Lift Strictly !!! I can't stand going to the gym and seeing guys with horrible lifting form, usually brought on by the desire to handle heavier weights...either in an effort to look cool, or the misguided attempt to get bigger! Putting aside the use of "controlled cheating," a real technique that when used properly can extend a set "beyond failure," cheating during your exercises is only taking the load OFF OF your target muscle and placing it onto your tendons and ligaments. Please, if you want to get huge, lift with a complete range of motion, control the negative, and focus on the muscle you intend on working. If this means lowering your poundages a bit, than DO IT!!! Eventually, you will be back up to your former weights, and you'll be carrying a hell of alot more muscle. I'm much more impressed seeing someone squat 275 for 10 reps to rock bottom, than someone squat 455 for 10 meaningless quarter reps! LIFT STRICT AND GGGRRROOOWWWW!!!!!!
	Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. VPX Sponsored Athlete/Board Rep www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

08-10-2002, 10:14 AM	#2
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	Its annoying, but I try to ignore them as best I can.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

08-10-2002, 10:20 AM	#3
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	I like the guys with crappy form, it reminds me to always watch mine and lift smartly, its kept me injury free for a very long time now.
	Cool

08-12-2002, 06:29 PM	#4
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	the funny thing about the "ego" lifters is that they never truely get strong or muscular ! ha..ha..ha
	Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

08-13-2002, 06:17 AM	#8
101Tazman Here for a minute Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: US Posts: 220	Lam, your right EGO is the right word. Last time I check muscle don't know how much weight your lifting! They do know resistance and intenstity though.
	Tazman Shut up and Train!

08-12-2002, 10:45 PM	#6
Neil Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 171	I think I've learned to block these idiots out although sometimes you just can't miss them. I saw some guys doing cheat curls on a smith machine with mucho body english the other day. Unbelievable.

08-13-2002, 05:35 AM	#7
KarlW My Little Man Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney Oz Posts: 1,030	or DB shrugs where they roll their shoulders back in half a second and hardly lift the damn things........what is that? is that a valid exercise ?

08-13-2002, 06:20 AM	#9
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	I would not recommend rolling the shoulders, its a great way to injure yourself. Just pull up and "touch the ears", and your fine with traps, don't stick your neck out either, I lean mine forward a bit but you want to avoid straining the neck outwards.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

08-13-2002, 06:32 AM	#10
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,504	Yes, these weightlifting "morons" are all over the place and I have come to the conclusion that the #1 reason that most people do not make the gains they wish is not because of genetics or a bad diet, as much as poor lifting form! Another thing that encourages this terrible form is guys that are using steroids and lifting this way! Of course, when you're on gear you can grow regardless of your exercise form...when some of the teens see these guys growing while cheating their brains out, they figure thats the right way to go. Then of course when they don't grow they either quit or go on steroids too. SAD!
	Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. VPX Sponsored Athlete/Board Rep www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

08-13-2002, 06:42 AM	#11
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,504	Case in point...yesterday I was about to begin training chest when this guy asked me to spot him on flat dumbell presses. I said "sure!" Well, he grabs the 130s and asks that I help him up with the first rep. He lays down and we push the dumbells up...I knew there was a problem when I felt a huge bicep pump from helping him lift those dumbells. Anyway, he proceeds to bring the dumbells down about 2 inches and screams as he pushes them back up. After about 3 of these pathetic reps he yells, "spot!" So I grab his shaking elbows and he gets 3 more 1-2 inch reps. Instead of saying anything to him I decided to quietly teach him a lesson. I asked if I could work in with him on the bench and he agreed. I didn't even do a warmup set. I just grabbed the 150s and layed down. He was like, "do you need a spot?" I said, "nah, I got em." I then proceeded to do 8 full range reps with a pause at the bottom and about a 15 second negative after the last rep. The look on his face was priceless as he said, " Um, that was my last set...I'm done here." Buddy, you were done before you even started!
	Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. VPX Sponsored Athlete/Board Rep www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

08-13-2002, 07:37 AM	#12
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	GP, what you said in your post about roids makes me wonder, because I did see a guy who was about 6'1", probably close to 22" arms if not that, and around 4% bodyfat or so, only saw him once in the gym. He was doing barbell curls with a modest weight, but lifting like a real jackass, and I was wondering does he lift like this all the damn time? Prime candidate for roids useage, and probably a competitor because he was so big and ripped, so I figured he was just passing through for a competition (was a couple months ago in San Fran area). Unfortunately he was a bad example to alot of young small chinese guys in the gym, who instantly added about 20 pounds to everything they were doing, as well as alot of slop and girlish grunting. A shame to see that kind of stuff! You go with the 150s you bad man! I'm getting a little stronger, but no size for the last 3 weeks except a tad on my back
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

08-13-2002, 07:47 AM	#13
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,504	Yup, thats just what I mean Mudge! In fact, I'm sorry to say, but when I lived in California I trained alongside several pros, and a few had such poor form I could hardly believe my eyes. Yet, they were freaks. I always wondered how they could look if they lifted properly! As for the 150s...I'm still trying to convince the owner of my gym to get some heavier ones!!!!
	Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. VPX Sponsored Athlete/Board Rep www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

08-13-2002, 07:49 AM	#14
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,027 Photos: 1	I have also seen footage of Lou Ferrigno etc, using short rep ranges for things like overhead presses, and I wondered if it was to better isolate only the delts and not use triceps so much? Since I notice at the end of pressing movements seems to be most taxing on my triceps... or is it simply to use heavier weights, or just slop or ? hmm
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

08-13-2002, 04:10 PM	#16
Chest Rockwell Guest Posts: n/a	Gopro speaks the truth Also, I always see people who never get a good negative on the last rep of a set. For example, on lat pulldowns alot of people just let the weight go instead of concentrating on getting a good negative on the last rep. These people think that they have just cpmpleted a 10 rep set when in actuality it was a 9 and 1/2 rep set. The last few negatives of a set is what seperates the men from the boys.
Chest Rockwell Guest Posts: n/a

08-13-2002, 06:07 PM	#17
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,504	Great comments from all. I can see all of you can totally relate to what I'm saying. This problem spans the globe. I'd like to arrange a weightlifting police force that has the authority to arrest those with horrible form on the spot!
	Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. VPX Sponsored Athlete/Board Rep www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

08-14-2002, 05:47 AM	#20
101Tazman Here for a minute Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: US Posts: 220	count me in!
	Tazman Shut up and Train!

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