What starts to show first when getting abs?

readyformore · 09-18-2009, 04:22 PM

I'm curious as to what part of the ab muscles start showing first when going for a six pack? right now i'm currently developing a line down the center of my stomach but is this a sign of starting to get abs? please don't tell me that it's done by diet is all i ask or don't tell me the exercises to do because you guy's have told me that enough time's and i know for a fact that the main thing on getting ab's is first losing the fat that's there i know all that lol i'm just curious if i'm actually getting something or not, i weigh 175 @6'3 so i'm pretty skinny... but recently i've got the line down the middle on my lower ab's and i'm wondering if that's how that ab's start to form? please no flaming i've never had one and it's just a dumb little question that i have...

Hoglander · 09-18-2009, 05:04 PM

For me it's the center four of the eight first. So I have four lumps and fat connecting the bottom two. I call that my five pack. Then the bottom two show up. That's the six pack. Later the smallest top ones pop out. That's an eight pack. I never get a line minus lumps.

I do low rep weighted heavy incline setups. Those muscles do get size for me. Maybe that's why I don't get a line.

When it comes to dumping fat... it's my understanding that the last fat gained is the first fat off.

T_man · 09-18-2009, 05:38 PM

I don't like situps they tend to use alot of hip flexors for me and I often get cramps, my flexors give out before my abs. The thing about situps is you tend to move at the hip rather than around the lumbar spine area.

Hanging leg raises, weighted machine crunches(they make you do the best form) and lying bicycles I find really work my abs.

As for vision, I get the 2nd set and the one below them on the right; my three pack. Then the left one on the 3rd set, then the bottom ones together. Thats my 6 pack.

suprfast · 09-18-2009, 07:39 PM

Who needs a six pack when you have a KEG?

I tend to show the top section of the abs first, but this was back in highschool. I saw too many "six packs" between high school and now and lost my abs completely
kris

readyformore · 09-19-2009, 04:09 AM

hmm my top one's don't show at all like the line's going sideways only going down, same with my bottom abs... my bottom abs are solid though the top isn't really solid lol (but it's getting there!) so i'm guessing that i'm probably not seeing abs growing since the lines are supposed to grow like a 2 pac then a 4 pac ect ect, right?

DiGiTaL · 09-19-2009, 04:14 AM

tops abs are generally visible first as your lower abs are where your waist is and most of the fat is where your waist is. Lower abs will be abit difficult to shred but easy with diet and motivation

readyformore · 09-19-2009, 04:42 AM

this is what my abs look like, does it look like i'm getting there? (yes i know i'm hairy!! haha i haven't shaved in like a week =\)

shh i know dirty mirror shh haha

DiGiTaL · 09-19-2009, 12:59 PM

Someone cam all over your mirror.

You look fine, Abs will show, work on your core and diet. If you diet really good and train and sleep properly you can see a lot of changes in only 2-3 weeks.

readyformore · 09-19-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DiGiTaL

Someone cam all over your mirror.

You look fine, Abs will show, work on your core and diet. If you diet really good and train and sleep properly you can see a lot of changes in only 2-3 weeks.

oh wow that fast? really? that would be awesome if i could see results that fast... i always go to the gym really late at night (1am) because i get out of work at midnight and if i go before it's to packed so i can never get the BEST workout but i still get sore lol i need a diet plan is what i need...

i just need to have one that starts from scratch because all i really eat right now is mainly chicken haha and it's from fast food places

T_man · 09-19-2009, 06:18 PM

HIIT sprints be ur fwennd

readyformore · 09-20-2009, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by T_man

HIIT sprints be ur fwennd

isn't that where u run really really fast then walk then really really fast then walk?

DiGiTaL · 09-20-2009, 03:47 AM

Yes, HIIT = High Intensity Interval Training.

Regarding your food, get on a diet and on a clean and healthy diet. Eating chicken is good, but fast food chicken has a bunch of shit on it, greasy and with all the sauces just not good. With a diet you know what your eating and when your eating it so it helps you avoid making fast food decisions.

readyformore · 09-20-2009, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiGiTaL

Yes, HIIT = High Intensity Interval Training.

Regarding your food, get on a diet and on a clean and healthy diet. Eating chicken is good, but fast food chicken has a bunch of shit on it, greasy and with all the sauces just not good. With a diet you know what your eating and when your eating it so it helps you avoid making fast food decisions.

yeah, is there any like basic set diet or something or is it something that i'm going to have to put a lot of thought into and make myself?

m11 · 09-20-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by readyformore

yeah, is there any like basic set diet or something or is it something that i'm going to have to put a lot of thought into and make myself?

Read the link in my signature. It is the same one that Built recommended to you 5 months ago. Had you listened the first time, you may have reached your goal by now. Please listen this time.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/tr...goal-pics.html (how long to meet my goal? (pics)) Starting at Post #14.

readyformore · 09-24-2009, 11:44 PM

well... i got my body fat % tested today... it was pretty low compared to the last time i measured it... last time they said it was 13.8% but i messed up and told them i weighed 10 pounds more than i actually did... but now i can tell i've lost fat weight and gained muscle weight and it's at 11.4%... is that pretty respectable for wanting abs? 11.4%?

m11 · 09-25-2009, 02:16 AM

The number isn't important. People see their abs at different body fat percentages. If you do not see your abs yet, that suggests that you still carry more body fat than you'd like.

Diet it off.

readyformore · 09-25-2009, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m11

The number isn't important. People see their abs at different body fat percentages. If you do not see your abs yet, that suggests that you still carry more body fat than you'd like.

Diet it off.

also another thing... today i almost got conned in to getting a personal trainer... the only thing i could think of was ...... iron mag forums... IRON MAG FORUMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! haha and then we started talking about nutrition and all i could think about then was built.... BUILTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! hahaha i don't really feel like paying a trainer 40 bucks for a half an hour of training... that's almost 5 hours of work for me after taxes... u guys could help me out enough to reach my goal... right? i have enough self motivation but then again i'm motivated by more than just myself i get motivated by a bunch of stuff like when i see gains MMM makes me workout twice as hard

m11 · 09-25-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by readyformore

u guys could help me out enough to reach my goal... right?

We could, in theory. However, I don't recall you actually ever taking Built's, or anyone else's, advice.

readyformore · 09-25-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by m11

We could, in theory. However, I don't recall you actually ever taking Built's, or anyone else's, advice.

yeah but if i don't take your guy's advice why would i take THERE advice? i doubt it that i will so i'd rather just get all the info here and try and get my stuff together

rahaas · 09-25-2009, 02:25 PM

Much safer to take our advice. A trainer is closer and might get pissed and slap the shit out of you

Just kidding bro...keep up the diet and training and you'll get there.

readyformore · 09-26-2009, 05:22 AM

okay let me go ahead and do what built suggested me, i'll post up a routine after i make one and i'll take all the suggestions that i need and actually listen to them... i'll do this with in the next few day's... considering i have to wake up for work in 2 hours LOL screw me!

readyformore · 09-27-2009, 03:22 PM

well wow last night i was just messing around and what not so i like pulled my stomach down like by my belly button and i could completely see a six pack... I lost weight super fast (about 85ish pounds in 6 months then 10 more over around another 6 months) does that have anything to do with it or do i just need to loose the weight?

DiGiTaL · 09-27-2009, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by readyformore

well... i got my body fat % tested today... it was pretty low compared to the last time i measured it... last time they said it was 13.8% but i messed up and told them i weighed 10 pounds more than i actually did... but now i can tell i've lost fat weight and gained muscle weight and it's at 11.4%... is that pretty respectable for wanting abs? 11.4%?

Where did you get this test done?

readyformore · 09-28-2009, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DiGiTaL

Where did you get this test done?

the gym? lol i'm pretty damn skinny... i've been skinnier i can show by a different pic lol

**Merkaba** · 09-29-2009, 03:24 AM

so now youre going to tell us you held a device in your hands to test your body fat??? Or did they use the calipers?

readyformore · 09-29-2009, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Merkaba

so now youre going to tell us you held a device in your hands to test your body fat??? Or did they use the calipers?

the stupid device thingy... (there to lazy to do it with the calipers....) so i'm guessing it's around 11-12% i know for a fact it's not over 12%

and another thing tonight i went running did some HIIT, barely did it though for like 5 mins or so because my side just got so cramped up... my left side of my stomach always get's really cramped up and i'm not sure what it is... do you guy's have any idea?

AKIRA · 09-29-2009, 07:01 AM

Your bodyfat isnt huge, but its higher than you think.

That pic is not a good one. You looked like you were punched in the torso by a fist the size of hulk's. When I flex my abs, my torso is more flat.

Honestly, if I had your physique, abs would be last on my list for the time being.

**Merkaba** · 09-29-2009, 12:49 PM

Yep. I quietly agree with Akira. I'm about 12 or so right now. 12 looks different on different people depending on whats under that 12. 12, 13, 14, is not bad. My point is that those machines are notorius for being innacurate. You should take multiple readings at various times of the day. They can vary depending on your current levels of electrolytes,water, etc.

readyformore · 09-29-2009, 03:35 PM

Here's a side picture of me lol

Ben dur · 09-29-2009, 07:51 PM

what is your diet like?

just give me some examples of your average day

09-18-2009, 05:38 PM	#3
T_man Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,249 Photos: 1	I don't like situps they tend to use alot of hip flexors for me and I often get cramps, my flexors give out before my abs. The thing about situps is you tend to move at the hip rather than around the lumbar spine area. Hanging leg raises, weighted machine crunches(they make you do the best form) and lying bicycles I find really work my abs. As for vision, I get the 2nd set and the one below them on the right; my three pack. Then the left one on the 3rd set, then the bottom ones together. Thats my 6 pack. Cheat on your girlfriend, not on your meal.

09-18-2009, 07:39 PM	#4
suprfast Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Merced, ca Posts: 389	Who needs a six pack when you have a KEG? I tend to show the top section of the abs first, but this was back in highschool. I saw too many "six packs" between high school and now and lost my abs completely kris 5'8" 207 lbs 225lbs(6.8.09)/207lbs(10.22.09) looking for 200lbs in 25 weeks(a pound a week) Exercise Examples

09-19-2009, 04:09 AM	#5
readyformore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: central, CA, USA Posts: 343	hmm my top one's don't show at all like the line's going sideways only going down, same with my bottom abs... my bottom abs are solid though the top isn't really solid lol (but it's getting there!) so i'm guessing that i'm probably not seeing abs growing since the lines are supposed to grow like a 2 pac then a 4 pac ect ect, right? highest 1 rep max bench = 300 (now 245) 6'3 - 175 pounds Cutting BF % - 9/24 - 11.4% 11/5 10%

09-19-2009, 04:14 AM	#6
DiGiTaL .::.:: Legend ::.::. Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ca Posts: 1,466 Photos: 2	tops abs are generally visible first as your lower abs are where your waist is and most of the fat is where your waist is. Lower abs will be abit difficult to shred but easy with diet and motivation Stats: Weight: 183lbs \| BF: 13% My Cutting Journal come motivate me.

09-19-2009, 04:42 AM	#7
readyformore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: central, CA, USA Posts: 343	this is what my abs look like, does it look like i'm getting there? (yes i know i'm hairy!! haha i haven't shaved in like a week =\) shh i know dirty mirror shh haha highest 1 rep max bench = 300 (now 245) 6'3 - 175 pounds Cutting BF % - 9/24 - 11.4% 11/5 10%

09-18-2009, 04:22 PM	#1
readyformore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: central, CA, USA Posts: 343	What starts to show first when getting abs? I'm curious as to what part of the ab muscles start showing first when going for a six pack? right now i'm currently developing a line down the center of my stomach but is this a sign of starting to get abs? please don't tell me that it's done by diet is all i ask or don't tell me the exercises to do because you guy's have told me that enough time's and i know for a fact that the main thing on getting ab's is first losing the fat that's there i know all that lol i'm just curious if i'm actually getting something or not, i weigh 175 @6'3 so i'm pretty skinny... but recently i've got the line down the middle on my lower ab's and i'm wondering if that's how that ab's start to form? please no flaming i've never had one and it's just a dumb little question that i have... highest 1 rep max bench = 300 (now 245) 6'3 - 175 pounds Cutting BF % - 9/24 - 11.4% 11/5 10%

09-18-2009, 05:04 PM	#2
Hoglander Cleaner Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Washington Posts: 1,499 Photos: 10	For me it's the center four of the eight first. So I have four lumps and fat connecting the bottom two. I call that my five pack. Then the bottom two show up. That's the six pack. Later the smallest top ones pop out. That's an eight pack. I never get a line minus lumps. I do low rep weighted heavy incline setups. Those muscles do get size for me. Maybe that's why I don't get a line. When it comes to dumping fat... it's my understanding that the last fat gained is the first fat off.

09-19-2009, 12:59 PM	#8
DiGiTaL .::.:: Legend ::.::. Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ca Posts: 1,466 Photos: 2	Someone cam all over your mirror. You look fine, Abs will show, work on your core and diet. If you diet really good and train and sleep properly you can see a lot of changes in only 2-3 weeks. Stats: Weight: 183lbs \| BF: 13% My Cutting Journal come motivate me.

09-19-2009, 06:18 PM	#10
T_man Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 1,249 Photos: 1	HIIT sprints be ur fwennd Cheat on your girlfriend, not on your meal.

09-20-2009, 03:47 AM	#12
DiGiTaL .::.:: Legend ::.::. Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ca Posts: 1,466 Photos: 2	Yes, HIIT = High Intensity Interval Training. Regarding your food, get on a diet and on a clean and healthy diet. Eating chicken is good, but fast food chicken has a bunch of shit on it, greasy and with all the sauces just not good. With a diet you know what your eating and when your eating it so it helps you avoid making fast food decisions. Stats: Weight: 183lbs \| BF: 13% My Cutting Journal come motivate me.

09-24-2009, 11:44 PM	#15
readyformore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: central, CA, USA Posts: 343	well... i got my body fat % tested today... it was pretty low compared to the last time i measured it... last time they said it was 13.8% but i messed up and told them i weighed 10 pounds more than i actually did... but now i can tell i've lost fat weight and gained muscle weight and it's at 11.4%... is that pretty respectable for wanting abs? 11.4%? highest 1 rep max bench = 300 (now 245) 6'3 - 175 pounds Cutting BF % - 9/24 - 11.4% 11/5 10%

09-25-2009, 02:16 AM	#16
m11 www.liftstrong.com Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: FL Posts: 857	The number isn't important. People see their abs at different body fat percentages. If you do not see your abs yet, that suggests that you still carry more body fat than you'd like. Diet it off. Getting Started by Built LG Sciences Board Representative These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, do not constitute medical advice, and are not official or authorized comments by LG Sciences, LLC.

09-25-2009, 02:25 PM	#20
rahaas Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 880 Photos: 1	Much safer to take our advice. A trainer is closer and might get pissed and slap the shit out of you Just kidding bro...keep up the diet and training and you'll get there. *No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.*

09-26-2009, 05:22 AM	#21
readyformore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: central, CA, USA Posts: 343	okay let me go ahead and do what built suggested me, i'll post up a routine after i make one and i'll take all the suggestions that i need and actually listen to them... i'll do this with in the next few day's... considering i have to wake up for work in 2 hours LOL screw me! highest 1 rep max bench = 300 (now 245) 6'3 - 175 pounds Cutting BF % - 9/24 - 11.4% 11/5 10%

09-27-2009, 03:22 PM	#22
readyformore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: central, CA, USA Posts: 343	well wow last night i was just messing around and what not so i like pulled my stomach down like by my belly button and i could completely see a six pack... I lost weight super fast (about 85ish pounds in 6 months then 10 more over around another 6 months) does that have anything to do with it or do i just need to loose the weight? highest 1 rep max bench = 300 (now 245) 6'3 - 175 pounds Cutting BF % - 9/24 - 11.4% 11/5 10%

09-29-2009, 03:24 AM	#25
Merkaba "King of Cheat Meals" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: sc Posts: 1,625	so now youre going to tell us you held a device in your hands to test your body fat??? Or did they use the calipers? Ban 2 1/2 's !!!!!! -------------------------------------------- Some Pics. All Natural

09-29-2009, 07:01 AM	#27
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 8,787 Photos: 3	Your bodyfat isnt huge, but its higher than you think. That pic is not a good one. You looked like you were punched in the torso by a fist the size of hulk's. When I flex my abs, my torso is more flat. Honestly, if I had your physique, abs would be last on my list for the time being. 6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 365 (12/3) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

09-29-2009, 12:49 PM	#28
Merkaba "King of Cheat Meals" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: sc Posts: 1,625	Yep. I quietly agree with Akira. I'm about 12 or so right now. 12 looks different on different people depending on whats under that 12. 12, 13, 14, is not bad. My point is that those machines are notorius for being innacurate. You should take multiple readings at various times of the day. They can vary depending on your current levels of electrolytes,water, etc. Ban 2 1/2 's !!!!!! -------------------------------------------- Some Pics. All Natural

09-29-2009, 03:35 PM	#29
readyformore Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: central, CA, USA Posts: 343	Here's a side picture of me lol highest 1 rep max bench = 300 (now 245) 6'3 - 175 pounds Cutting BF % - 9/24 - 11.4% 11/5 10%

09-29-2009, 07:51 PM	#30
Ben dur Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Milton FL Posts: 1,235 Photos: 6	what is your diet like? just give me some examples of your average day 21 5'11" ~175lbs 8% on elec. analyzer

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