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  1. 11-27-2009, 02:56 AM #1
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    Weight lifting question

    I am 5'6, 140, and I'm trying to gain about 10 pounds of muscle. I don't want to be all stocky, because it wouldn't suit my height, but I want to be lean and slightly muscular, similar to what you'd see on a Calvin Klein model.

    I realize that free weights are supposedly better than machine weights, but I just do not like free weights. On my weight lifting days, I don't go near them for my bench press, I use them only for doing curls for biceps. But I was wondering...on the machine weight bench press, I can lift over 200 pounds. I don't know how much I can lift on free weight bench press, because I don't try it, but considering the fact that machine weights are easier than free weights, benching 200 on the machine weights is equivalent to roughly how much on free weights?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrtony80 View Post
    benching 200 on the machine weights is equivalent to roughly how much on free weights?
    Absolutely nothing.

    The two are as different as chalk and cheese, and cheese is a lot better for you than chalk.

    I've seen supposedly strong guys who can bench 5 plates a side on machine bench press struggle with one plate on each side of a barbell bench press. And by struggle i mean completely fail to perform a single decent rep.

    Why the hate for freeweights, out of curiosity? They're a lot better for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazhole View Post
    cheese is a lot better for you than chalk.
    If you're hungry, yes. But if you're trying to deadlift, the chalk is better.
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    If you want to be lean and muscular, you may have to consider changes to your diet. Training won't get you lean and muscular on its own.

    Also, use free weights. Machines are extremely limited in what they force us to do and they restrict us to movement patterns that may be incorrect/uncomfortable.
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    You'll find that in doing free weights the assisting muscles are brought into action much more. For instance, with a solid bench press (or any pushing movement, for that matter) you'll notice your triceps get a greater workout than any cable extensions. Same with rows and pullups; they hit the biceps harder than any sort of curl will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple Threat View Post
    If you're hungry, yes. But if you're trying to deadlift, the chalk is better.


    I have an image of a powerlifting comp with a big bowl of cheese on the platform.
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    There is no way to define how much you can bench press from knowing how much you can press on a machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazhole View Post
    Absolutely nothing.

    The two are as different as chalk and cheese, and cheese is a lot better for you than chalk.

    I've seen supposedly strong guys who can bench 5 plates a side on machine bench press struggle with one plate on each side of a barbell bench press. And by struggle i mean completely fail to perform a single decent rep.

    Why the hate for freeweights, out of curiosity? They're a lot better for you.
    People dislike freeweights because they are more challenging and they are lazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by njc View Post
    People dislike freeweights because they are more challenging and they are lazy.
    Thats what i was afraid of.

    I thought of a good analogy for this over breakfast for some reason.

    Training only with machines is like a freight train - the train is built to be really powerful on its tracks, just like a body built using machines. But as soon as you take that train off the track it can use hardly any of that power without those rails to direct it.

    Why are all weight training analogies based around cars or machines?
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