OKay fellas,
So I got through day3 of this new routine this afternoon. I need to tweak it because It didn't feel too good to me. I guess the first time doing any new routines is a little uncoordinated but let me outline it and get your opinions/suggestions.
I started it off with some Bent rows. I did 3 sets, reps were 11, 9 and 8
I had planned next to do seated rows but since I felt it was basically the same exact movement, I decided to do pull ups instead. Well, I did a single set of like... 3 reps and decided I couldn't do them well enough yet so I swapped them out for cable pulldowns instead.
Thats my first question.. are lat pulldowns an acceptable sub until I get strong enough to do a respectable set of pullups?
I got through the 3 sets of pulldowns and kept the 6-12 rep range.
After that I decided to do the seated rows and also got the 3 sets in the 6-12 reps.
I ended the session with chins I did a nice strong first set of 9 reps but my biceps were so spent from the back movements that I again opted for the pully and did seated "chins" with the pulldown pully for the last 2 sets.
Again, is this an acceptable movement till I get strong enough to do 3 sets of chins with my bodyweight?
Lastly, I didn't know if I should but certainly wanted to do shrugs.
I typically do shrugs during either shoulders or back.
What do you guys recommend? Do you do traps on a back day or delt? Should I even bother doing them or wait till I've built up my core more?
Thanks!
If you were able to do three reps on pull ups I would stick with it until you can get four, then 5, then 6, etc. Using your body weight and moving your center of gravity through the range of motion will produce better results than a machine. The purpose of a machine is to make work easier......is that what you are looking for? As far as respectable, check your ego at the door when you get to the gym and do your workout.
There is no need to do more than one rowing movement in the same workout so stick with barbell or dumbell rows or t-bar rows. For traps consider deadlifts or rack pulls, you will get trap development along with a dense back!
Well, it's not exactly my ego I'm concerned with...lol.. I work out at home so believe me, there isn't an ego factor. My concern is that I'm simply not hitting the lats good enough and while I do agree that the pullups are better than lat pulldowns, whats actually better.. 3 sets of lat pulldowns for 10 reps or 1 set or pullups for 3 reps?
Of course I will continue to TRY to get my pullups improved but right now my bigger concern is adding mass.
As for more than one rowing exercise, yes, I'll agree with that. But Is Bent rows and lat pulldowns enough for a back day workout? Didn't feel like enough volume.
Thanks for the reply though, you make good points.
I prefer seated to bent rows. I don't like the stress bent rows put on my spine, unless it's using dumbells then it's manageable. Imo, pulldowns are good for building up to pullups but in no way do I think they are a replacement. Work on lat strength until you can do 6+ pullups then you're good to go.
Btw how do you manage only 3 pullups but 9 chins? I know the biceps are more involved in chins but thats a big difference.
Imo, pulldowns are good for building up to pullups but in no way do I think they are a replacement. Work on lat strength until you can do 6+ pullups then you're good to go.
Agreed. This is exactly my intention as well.
Originally Posted by T_man
Btw how do you manage only 3 pullups but 9 chins? I know the biceps are more involved in chins but thats a big difference.
Not only that, but it wasn't my bi's that gave out, it was my grip. I probably could have done another 2 if my grip didnt fail. I think it was because I used a slow tempo on the bent rows. I held it static for about 2 seconds and then lowered it for a 4 count. My lats were too spent to get out more than three pullups. I just had no strength. Additionally, I used palms facing each other on the chins. IMO, it's easier than palms facing me.
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