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    I have a few questions I am always tossing around in my head about reps vs weights used and muscle response.

    I like heavy sets but I know plenty of strong men that are not all that large. I also see large men lifting light weights in the gym for higher reps. So it makes me wonder if there is more then one way to skin a cat? I keep my reps under 10 unless I am warming up. I typically do 3 sets per lift, and maybe 5-6 movements for large muscle groups, and typically 3 movements for small muscle groups. I find that heavy lifts put a lot of strain on my muscles and wears me out physically. I don't get mind blowing pumps unless I throw in a low weight higher rep set.

    So is muscle growth triggered by the increase in strength required to lift more weight, or by an increase in volume demand? My desire to get me most out of my workouts is what drives curiosity.

    I know food makes you grow in the end so lets avoid talking about that. I am more interested in what starts the process...what makes it happen. Facts would be ideal but opinions are always good to compare with others.

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    There's no one right answer, it depends entirely on you and your body make-up. Arnold became the greatest body builder in history using purely high volume training. Then along came Dorian Yates who was an absolute monster and dwarfed Arnold. Dorian used high intensity, massive weights for one or two sets. So, like I said, it all depends.

    I'm with you in that I like using max weight for minimum sets and reps. It's much more rewarding and keeps me motivated. But as I get older I find it's also VERY hard on the joints. For that reason I'm limiting the amount of weight I use and upping the reps. My workouts are every bit as intense and I'm getting good response from my muscles so, I don't feel like I've lost anything by switching. As a matter of fact, it's ALWAYS a good idea to switch things up a bit just to avoid stagnation and plateaus.
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    The majority of books I have read indicate that heavy weights and low reps stimulate muscle growth more then higher reps. These books were written by strength conditioning coaches from well known colleges. Personally I have found this to be true. I also love lifting this way.
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    Arnold was juiced. And he wasn't as big as compared to the more modern people who do heavier weights and lower reps
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublebase View Post
    The majority of books I have read indicate that heavy weights and low reps stimulate muscle growth more then higher reps. These books were written by strength conditioning coaches from well known colleges. Personally I have found this to be true. I also love lifting this way.
    On the surface that's true but, you have to dig down and look at the reason.

    The low reps/high weights works the fast twitch muscle fibers. Those are the muscle fibers that are more prone to hypertrophy. On the other hand, high reps/low weights target the slow twitch fibers which simply can't get AS big as the fast twitchers, but they will grow.

    That gets back to what I said originally, everybody's different. Some people have more slow twitch fibers than they do fast twitch fibers. Some folks are the other way around. That's the basis of the different body types; Endomorph, Ectomorph, etc.

    So, what the books said is absolutely true...............FOR THE MOST PART. But, take it with a grain of salt and remember, variety is the spice of life. Mix up the reps and weights every now and then simply to avoid plateaus and work ALL your muscle fibers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALBOB View Post
    On the surface that's true but, you have to dig down and look at the reason.

    The low reps/high weights works the fast twitch muscle fibers. Those are the muscle fibers that are more prone to hypertrophy. On the other hand, high reps/low weights target the slow twitch fibers which simply can't get AS big as the fast twitchers, but they will grow.

    That gets back to what I said originally, everybody's different. Some people have more slow twitch fibers than they do fast twitch fibers. Some folks are the other way around. That's the basis of the different body types; Endomorph, Ectomorph, etc.

    So, what the books said is absolutely true...............FOR THE MOST PART. But, take it with a grain of salt and remember, variety is the spice of life. Mix up the reps and weights every now and then simply to avoid plateaus and work ALL your muscle fibers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALBOB View Post
    There's no one right answer, it depends entirely on you and your body make-up. Arnold became the greatest body builder in history using purely high volume training. Then along came Dorian Yates who was an absolute monster and dwarfed Arnold. Dorian used high intensity, massive weights for one or two sets. So, like I said, it all depends.

    I'm with you in that I like using max weight for minimum sets and reps. It's much more rewarding and keeps me motivated. But as I get older I find it's also VERY hard on the joints. For that reason I'm limiting the amount of weight I use and upping the reps. My workouts are every bit as intense and I'm getting good response from my muscles so, I don't feel like I've lost anything by switching. As a matter of fact, it's ALWAYS a good idea to switch things up a bit just to avoid stagnation and plateaus.
    At 30 I'm not old, but I've been lifting heavy for 16 years and like you my joints and back are like FU most of the time. So I am always curious how high reps would effect growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanMan60563 View Post
    At 30 I'm not old, but I've been lifting heavy for 16 years and like you my joints and back are like FU most of the time. So I am always curious how high reps would effect growth.
    Skim through here: ALBOB's Andro Adventure

    Even if you're not going to use any sups like Andro, it'll give you an idea of the weights and reps I'm using. Hopefully it'll emphasize not only that every person is different but, even different muscle groups in the same person are different. For instance, I use lower reps for chest and higher reps for legs and back. The reason is that I've found those combinations work the target muscles best ON ME. The same might not be true for you. You just gotta try different approaches with each individual muscle group and see what works best your muscles.
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