Thread: pullups... dead hang and weighted

I hate these stroke-your-own-cock threads.

you 6ft 145lbs?......















not big

Not to pat myself on my ridiculously strong back, but I've done a single with at least 150 pounds attached to my waist.

/satire

If I could find a way to add weight I'd do it... I'm sure I can do more than 60 pounds twice though =)

There is absolutely no practical value to this thread.

The problem with the "how much can you lift" threads is that people will bullshit. After countless occassions of someone telling me they can squat however much and then I see them do it and they go down half-way to parallel with terrible tempo and extremely wide stance and a rounded back I no longer trust anyone (except maybe a few people I trust and know won't bullshit) about how much they can lift until I see it.

This goes especially for pullups, which I'd estimate about 80-90% of lifters perform incorrectly. Is the lifter going down for full-shoulder/elbow extension with a pause before the next rep or are they just snapping back up like elastic? How far up are they pulling? What's their tempo? Are they swinging with their hips, legs, and torso, or are they controlling the movement?

Also, what grip? A lot of people will call all variations pullups, when really certain variations are easier. On close-grip v-bar I can lift way more than on conventional pronated-grip pullups.

i got 24 but i can't go all the way to a dead hang cause of shoulder issues. Overhand grip only.

1 overhand, 1 underhand. Sorta sloppy form but you gotta start somewhere, I think. 250 lbs isn't exactly the ideal starting weight.

Originally Posted by Zaphod

1 overhand, 1 underhand. Sorta sloppy form but you gotta start somewhere, I think. 250 lbs isn't exactly the ideal starting weight.

Don't use sloppy form. Good form or no form.

I do can do 15 full dead hang's approved by the USMC Recruiting Station of Mississippi. 24, Cap'tstabbin is pretty dam good. Wish I was at that level already. I want to hit at least 22 before I leave for boot camp.

Originally Posted by Phineas

There is absolutely no practical value to this thread.

The problem with the "how much can you lift" threads is that people will bullshit. After countless occassions of someone telling me they can squat however much and then I see them do it and they go down half-way to parallel with terrible tempo and extremely wide stance and a rounded back I no longer trust anyone (except maybe a few people I trust and know won't bullshit) about how much they can lift until I see it.

This goes especially for pullups, which I'd estimate about 80-90% of lifters perform incorrectly. Is the lifter going down for full-shoulder/elbow extension with a pause before the next rep or are they just snapping back up like elastic? How far up are they pulling? What's their tempo? Are they swinging with their hips, legs, and torso, or are they controlling the movement?

Also, what grip? A lot of people will call all variations pullups, when really certain variations are easier. On close-grip v-bar I can lift way more than on conventional pronated-grip pullups.

There is no way you are stroking your own perceived expert cock here right?

If you need help with pullups just say so!! Don't get all bent about it. People will help you.

Originally Posted by Hoglander

There is no way you are stroking your own perceived expert cock here right?

If you need help with pullups just say so!! Don't get all bent about it. People will help you.

25 x Bodyweight.

+90lbs x 3 weighted.

Both to dead hang and chin over the bar.

The only thing bigger than my ego is my cock.

Agree, no practical use to this thread whatsoever, and some people are going to bullshit and have a pissing contest, but for the honest serious members (haha) here it's interesting to see what everybody can do.

gazhole. good job on the pullups.
90# three times is good. how much you weigh?
this little post is purley on honor system.
some dont like contests, i do, thats why i put this post up in the first place.
play if you want.
as a pro cyclist, its hard to try to mix in weights with all the hard cycle training, so the few days a week i train with bodyweight movements, or a few exercises using weights, i try to go very hard.
this post isnt an ego thing at all.
just training hard trying to slow down father time..

Originally Posted by stepaukas

gazhole. good job on the pullups.
90# three times is good. how much you weigh?
this little post is purley on honor system.
some dont like contests, i do, thats why i put this post up in the first place.
play if you want.
as a pro cyclist, its hard to try to mix in weights with all the hard cycle training, so the few days a week i train with bodyweight movements, or a few exercises using weights, i try to go very hard.
this post isnt an ego thing at all.
just training hard trying to slow down father time..

you want a online competition then get ventrilo and i'll verbally abuse you.
you want to have a pull up battle film yourself and post the vid and ill post mine.

Originally Posted by Gazhole

25 x Bodyweight.

+90lbs x 3 weighted.

Both to dead hang and chin over the bar.

The only thing bigger than my ego is my cock.

Agree, no practical use to this thread whatsoever, and some people are going to bullshit and have a pissing contest, but for the honest serious members (haha) here it's interesting to see what everybody can do.

Alright, then, I'll play.

Fresh, x 12-15 @ bodyweight (195 lbs)...depends on what I've done in the last few days and how I'm feeling that day

Weighted.... x6 @ 50 lbs (fresh)...for sets drop to 45 lbs

My maximal strength on pullups is a lot better than my endurance. That's something I plan on working on when I start my next bulk in a month and a half.

And, that's to full extension with a pause before next rep, no hip swinging, and controlled tempo (about 2/2). However, I bring my chin to only the bar, not over. I don't buy into the chin over thing. At that point, are your lats really doing the movement or is it forearm work??

Originally Posted by Phineas

Alright, then, I'll play.

Fresh, x 12-15 @ bodyweight (195 lbs)...depends on what I've done in the last few days and how I'm feeling that day

Weighted.... x6 @ 50 lbs (fresh)...for sets drop to 45 lbs

My maximal strength on pullups is a lot better than my endurance. That's something I plan on working on when I start my next bulk in a month and a half.

And, that's to full extension with a pause before next rep, no hip swinging, and controlled tempo (about 2/2). However, I bring my chin to only the bar, not over. I don't buy into the chin over thing. At that point, are your lats really doing the movement or is it forearm work??

Forearm work hopefully, lol

Good work though, man! Especially when you're 13lbs heavier than me! Extra bodyweight destroys pullup numbers.

try doing some where you touch chest, meaning your chin is almost a foot over the bar.a friend of a friend owns a gymnnastic training facility, and my friend started working out there a few months ago.
they do 95% bodyweight movements, and on the pullups, they do them on the high bar, where you can do muscle ups too.
the higher you pull, the more the smaller back muscles get involved, and its these small muscles that really help you on the pullup.
his personal best is 52.

gazhole
100% disagree with you on the extra bodyweight destroys pullups.

i was told 45 years ago, by a 250# coach that placed high in mr usa, and who i seen do sets of 20.. sets!!!! he said if your strong, you can do them.

here's a video of a fit 122k guy doing 50 whats 122k ? about 260?

over the years i seen skinny guys that cant do 1 and huge guys that can do a lot.
bottom line is if your strong you can do them

Originally Posted by stepaukas

gazhole
100% disagree with you on the extra bodyweight destroys pullups.

i was told 45 years ago, by a 250# coach that placed high in mr usa, and who i seen do sets of 20.. sets!!!! he said if your strong, you can do them.

here's a video of a fit 122k guy doing 50 whats 122k ? about 260?

over the years i seen skinny guys that cant do 1 and huge guys that can do a lot.
bottom line is if your strong you can do them

First of all those aren't pullups, those are kip-ups - he is using a shitload of momentum which i for one don't use at all.

Secondly, that guy is Konstantin Konstantinovs - a world class powerlifter, and is phenomenally strong. Same as that mr.usa coach - how many people of that level of development do you see around the place?

Of course if you're strong you can do them, but are you really saying that being heavier is going to make it easier to do pullups?

Go do a bodyweight set of pullups, then the next day slap a 45lb plate on your back and try and get the same number. Now imagaine that 45lbs being extra bodyweight.

Unless all that extra bodyweight is 100% muscle and is in your back and biceps it's only gonna make them harder because it isn't involved in force production for that exercise.

yes, he is kipping, but we all know he probably can do 40-50 slow dead hang pullups too.
its always been an argument on who has the advantage and disadvantage on exercises like these. when i was in high school at this gym i did 20 slow legit pullups and when i got down off the bar i kinda went quietly to myself "yes" as i was excited to get 20, and some huge huge arnold looking guy , heard me say "yes"... he said big deal, you only weigh 130 pounds. i thought he was a dick for mouthing off and butting in, but the instructor kinda stuck up for me in his own little way by telling the big guy my arms were the smallest arms he ever seen , and with such small arms and muscles, i did good pulling up 130 pounds with such small arms.
so, what he was saying is the skinny guys have a disadvantage as they have puny muscles, where the big guys have big muscles to pull them up. so thats why he said to me.. bottom line. if you're strong you can do them.

Raise your hand if you've gone to school for a physiology-related degree, actually done the shit you're talking about, can deadlift a cow, and has 14" fucking forearms.

Gazhole
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Now wave your hand if the concept of gravity escapes you and you're arguing with a guy that's gone to school for a physiology-related degree, actually done the shit you're talking about, can deadlift a cow, and has 14" fucking forearms.


stepaukas
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Originally Posted by stepaukas

yes, he is kipping, but we all know he probably can do 40-50 slow dead hang pullups too.

I doubt it. Using momentum makes the exercise a lot easier.

Originally Posted by stepaukas

what he was saying is the skinny guys have a disadvantage as they have puny muscles, where the big guys have big muscles to pull them up. so thats why he said to me.. bottom line. if you're strong you can do them.

You can do them at your own bodyweight, but the same level of force production (strength) with extra resistance (bodyweight) equals less pullups. How do you not understand this?

If you can do 10 pullups at 130lbs bodyweight, and someone else can do 10 pullups at 230lbs bodyweight they are stronger than you because they weigh more.

Pullups are complicated to compare because of strength:bodyweight ratios, adding extra weight, and endurance factors, but trust me on this - a heavier guy will have a lot harder time doing pullups than a lighter guy.

I don't want people to think I am lying so I won't say.

But I have a question. If a person can bench X. Should he be able to do a weighted pullup totaling X (body weight + added weight = x)?

That's 100% of X or the same as he benches above. 110%? 90%? What on average do you all think a well rounded genetically average lifter should be able to ratio at?

iam 270lbs now and can only do 2 pullups, but my back is strong on all other exercises. my back is thick enough now so i dont worry about back. quads now thats another thread. lol, imho

Originally Posted by Hoglander

I don't want people to think I am lying so I won't say.

But I have a question. If a person can bench X. Should he be able to do a weighted pullup totaling X (body weight + added weight = x)?

That's 100% of X or the same as he benches above. 110%? 90%? What on average do you all think a well rounded genetically average lifter should be able to ratio at?

I wouldn't say so.

If there was any back strength connection one could make to your bench numbers I'd say it'd be horizontal pulling, so rows. Seeing as how it's on the same plane as bench and the antagonist muscles from the pushing I think there'd be a greater connection.

Besides, pullups are waaaayyy harder than rows, and complicated in terms of endurance vs. maximal lifting. So, I think it would be too difficult to make a ratio.

Also, grip is a huge factor in pullups, whereas grip is hardly an issue on bench.

Originally Posted by Gazhole

Forearm work hopefully, lol

Good work though, man! Especially when you're 13lbs heavier than me! Extra bodyweight destroys pullup numbers.

Thanks, dude! Appreciate that. Pullups are what I consider to be my greatest weakness. Unless close-grip with a v-bar..I'm amazing on those.

I thought I'd note another variable in determining the quality of a pullup.

(1.) Is the pullup bar smooth or it designed with grip?

(2.) Is the bar flat or angled down?

Pullup bars with grip are way easier than smooth bars.

Angled bars change the dynamics of the lift and make it easier.

Ratios don't care about anything but data. You pullup this. You bench that. Plug your numbers in. It's not hard.

6*10 with a 110lb catfish strapped to my back!