How to Bench Big

firestorm · 11-16-2003, 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by vanity
I think any serious bb could be considered a strength athlete too.
you don't get big by lifting 10 hex dumbells.

I've said that in myself many times Vanity. It can't be more true. I like to say, big weights = big muscles.

**Mudge** · 11-16-2003, 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by vanity
don't you lift less on your inclines?

Me? Most people would, I am no different. I max about 10% less weight, did 225x11 last time as my opening set.

gr81 · 11-16-2003, 10:57 PM

there are plenty of guys out there that are not nearly as strong as they look. Besides I am not talking baout pro BBs, they are all really big and really strong relative to us. I am talkin about the everyday BB or lifter. You can't deny that a gigantic focus these days is put on being "fit", not strong. I know that the hardcore are out there too, there just aren't as many as there should be. Believe me I know alot of guys that weight train and bb and it is mainly about developing the aesthetics unproprtionately over the strength aspect. I really don't run into many powerlifters. I guess you would have to go to a hardcore powerlifting gym for that though huh! Just being a bodybuilder doesn't necessarily correlate into being a strength athlete. They are not the same thing. I could list hella movements that would fall under the category of strength and endurance training that most BBs never do. they aren't equivocal.

oaktownboy · 11-16-2003, 10:59 PM

like them power cleans

firestorm · 11-16-2003, 11:02 PM

My inclines and flats are just about equal with dumbells. Straight bar on inclines causes me too much stress on my injured shoulder so I have to stay really light on them so I just don't use incline straight bar much.

gr81 · 11-16-2003, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by firestorm
Point is Gopro keeps the sets LOW because he expects you to go Balls to the wall on the sets you ARE doing and if your intensity is on track you shouldn't have much left to do any more sets. That is pretty old school thinking to me. It certainly isn't any candy ass low weight High rep workouts. His high rep workouts are 8!!

I know that Go Pro isn't a pansey. I wasn't referring to him. A person is as hardcore as they want to be!

gr81 · 11-16-2003, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by oaktownboy
like them power cleans

hell ya, I knew you'd like 'em. How heavy have you gone with them so far? What kind of rp scheme do you use for them man?

firestorm · 11-16-2003, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by vanity
I think a good philosophy is to get as strong as you can be while looking good and being healthy and injury free.

It could be done but you have to have the whole package in your control.

Absolutely Vanity, when I was at the top of my game, I would be able to keep my strength up and bodyfat gain was minimal. I considered my training "dialed in". You can't argue with a 495 bench and sporting a 32 inch waste right?

firestorm · 11-17-2003, 01:15 AM

Very well put Vanity.

JerseyDevil · 11-17-2003, 04:24 AM

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Originally posted by gr81
Cmon guys, alot of the powerlifters out there aren't the fat 300 lbs guys of the past. I know there are plenty of guys that look like that but there are plenty of guys that are in incredible shape too, more so than before even. I would love to be a great powerlifter, it is such a manlier sport than BB competition wise.

What GR81 said

Ken Lain the "Mighty Texan" has benched over 700 lbs. Not a bad physique IMO.

firestorm · 11-17-2003, 05:42 PM

Hey Jersey your absolutely CORRECT! That guy looks fantastic but I'm thinking of the majority of power lifters and they are built like fire plugs. Very very thick expecially in the mid sections. I agree this guy has it all. I can also see what appears to be side effects of HgH on him but that is besides the point. I can't take anything away from this guy.

**Mudge** · 11-17-2003, 08:20 PM

The real fatties of powerlifting are outside of the 275 pound class, the SHW guys (super heavyweights).

HoldDaMayo · 11-17-2003, 11:57 PM

"the real fatties"

haha, lmao...

I just want to look good everywhere... if I was standing there... and some crazy person ripped off an article of clothing... REGARDLESS of which part of my body be exposed... I would want to be able to stand there and laugh while the ladies observing raise their eyebrows and make a sound something like... Mmm...

firestorm · 11-18-2003, 12:25 AM

yeaa I like the Umm sound but you wanta know sumpen? I used to get an even better ego boast when they would say I was too big. I used to really love hearing I was too big. Damn days of old gone with the winds of time. Now the chicks dig me and that sucks. hahahahaha

**Mudge** · 11-18-2003, 05:17 PM

Yes, I get comments on my ghetto booty all the time.

goal_500_bench · 07-25-2004, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by firestorm

It is more manly as you put it but I still don't like their builds ever the least. Not even the guys on that ESPN show "worlds strongest men comp" Now they arent built like my example: Mark Henry but I still don't like them (their builds not the men themselves). to each his own GR8 that is what makes the world go round. I'd rather have the 32 inch waist and 53 inch chest.

I see where you are coming from...alot of those pls have guts that look like their about to bust wide open...but to be able to lift the weight they do is undescribable and I know alot of bb wish they could do it.

WilliamB · 04-01-2005, 12:55 PM

I think people should read this article once a month.

WilliamB · 04-01-2005, 12:56 PM

Bump this one to the top of the Training forums

BiggerNstronger · 04-01-2005, 02:59 PM

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Bump this one to the top of the Training forums

Thanks for the bump, this is exactly what I was searching for when I came to this forum. I will put it to the test in about an hour! Update this evening on whether I hit 355+ for the first time in my life. Goal is 400 by July!

11-16-2003, 10:57 PM	#33
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	there are plenty of guys out there that are not nearly as strong as they look. Besides I am not talking baout pro BBs, they are all really big and really strong relative to us. I am talkin about the everyday BB or lifter. You can't deny that a gigantic focus these days is put on being "fit", not strong. I know that the hardcore are out there too, there just aren't as many as there should be. Believe me I know alot of guys that weight train and bb and it is mainly about developing the aesthetics unproprtionately over the strength aspect. I really don't run into many powerlifters. I guess you would have to go to a hardcore powerlifting gym for that though huh! Just being a bodybuilder doesn't necessarily correlate into being a strength athlete. They are not the same thing. I could list hella movements that would fall under the category of strength and endurance training that most BBs never do. they aren't equivocal.
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11-17-2003, 11:57 PM	#43
HoldDaMayo Just call me Mayo Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 1,917 Photos: 4	"the real fatties" haha, lmao... I just want to look good everywhere... if I was standing there... and some crazy person ripped off an article of clothing... REGARDLESS of which part of my body be exposed... I would want to be able to stand there and laugh while the ladies observing raise their eyebrows and make a sound something like... Mmm...
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11-16-2003, 11:02 PM	#35
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	My inclines and flats are just about equal with dumbells. Straight bar on inclines causes me too much stress on my injured shoulder so I have to stay really light on them so I just don't use incline straight bar much.

11-17-2003, 01:15 AM	#39
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	Very well put Vanity.

11-17-2003, 05:42 PM	#41
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	Hey Jersey your absolutely CORRECT! That guy looks fantastic but I'm thinking of the majority of power lifters and they are built like fire plugs. Very very thick expecially in the mid sections. I agree this guy has it all. I can also see what appears to be side effects of HgH on him but that is besides the point. I can't take anything away from this guy.

11-17-2003, 08:20 PM	#42
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,956 Photos: 1	The real fatties of powerlifting are outside of the 275 pound class, the SHW guys (super heavyweights).

11-18-2003, 12:25 AM	#44
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	yeaa I like the Umm sound but you wanta know sumpen? I used to get an even better ego boast when they would say I was too big. I used to really love hearing I was too big. Damn days of old gone with the winds of time. Now the chicks dig me and that sucks. hahahahaha

11-18-2003, 05:17 PM	#45
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,956 Photos: 1	Yes, I get comments on my ghetto booty all the time.

04-01-2005, 12:55 PM	#47
WilliamB Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 703	I think people should read this article once a month.

04-01-2005, 12:56 PM	#48
WilliamB Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 703	Bump this one to the top of the Training forums