Thread: Cutlers FST-7

Originally Posted by Hutchym8

Iv just come acros this FST-7 "training sytem" the other day online, aparently Jay Cutler started training it before last years Olympia, n a few others hav been training it. Any1 heard of this of even trainind it them selves??? Thinkin i might giv it a crack but is it a work out that only dudes on juice benifit from it??

Depends on what form of FST-7 you're going to try. Personally, I think the version of doing 3 sets of HIT then your 7 sets is crazy. So for that version, you're probably gonna need something to help you recover. Even just 3 heavy sets then the 7 sets to finish is like a pumped up high volume routine. So I would recommend that you first do a normal high volume routine like German Volume Training (GVT) before attempting FST-7.

complete waste of time to follow a training routine of ANY IFBB Pro...following the same training routine as another will not yield the same results unless you share the same genetic profile, follow the same diet and have the same amount of time in training.

I trained next to Cutler for many years and I can tell you first hand there is nothing revolutionary or special about the training I "saw" him perform.

Originally Posted by LAM

complete waste of time to follow a training routine of ANY IFBB Pro...following the same training routine as another will not yield the same results unless you share the same genetic profile, follow the same diet and have the same amount of time in training.

I trained next to Cutler for many years and I can tell you first hand there is nothing revolutionary or special about the training I "saw" him perform.

Just to add to this. It's not Cutler's FST-7, it's Cutler doing FST-7. Cutler didn't invent FST-7.

Originally Posted by LAM

complete waste of time to follow a training routine of ANY IFBB Pro...following the same training routine as another will not yield the same results unless you share the same genetic profile, follow the same diet and have the same amount of time in training.

I trained next to Cutler for many years and I can tell you first hand there is nothing revolutionary or special about the training I "saw" him perform.

very good post. theres nothing amazing about training that they do more then everybody else does.

Originally Posted by unclem

very good post. theres nothing amazing about training that they do more then everybody else does.

yep....unfortunately people are still under the illusion that there are some magic exercises or training routines. a lot of people don't realize how HARDCORE these IFBB pro's are when it comes to the diet, which we know is a good 80% of the equation.

take for example one of my friends Debbie Bramwell who's an IFBB light heavy. When I meet her many years ago and she would come to Vegas she would bring about 30-40lbs of cooked food in a cooler for the weekend or whatever. so all she had to do with re-heat her meals. I think she went 2003-2005 with like 2 cheat meals during that period.

^^^ yeah lam i know u know your shit. but ive read your posts and figured that out right away.

I read an FST-7 training program in Flex the other day, i think there were 5 workouts and each had over 40 sets in it. Absolutely pointless. You'd have a better chance of building muscle if you ate the fucking magazine. There are honestly no words to describe the combination of anger and disbelief i feel when i see them pump this shit out week after week.

Wel first of im not a pre pubecent boy whos never walked in2 a gym and im not after sum magic pill or exercise routine thats guna get me to 250 pounds in 2 months, iv been liftin for a cpl of years and research things. i knw cutler didnt invent it i just used that as my headline so people would read it.
And LAM i dont think its a waiste of time tryin a new rutine to break up the manontney. it was just only the other day i read about this training style and was just curious to see if any 1 here had traind it or new much about it.
And for the record tonight i trained bis and Tris (i knw a few of u will wig out about "arm day" training) but the pumps iv goten from that work out are fukin ridiculous! so im guna giv the other body parts a crack at the FST-7 wrk out, due to it coming into sumer here in Auz the high intensity is awsm, n should help with my cutin

If you presuppose that the pump means absolutely anything in terms of process it might seem great. The problem with gauging a workout's efficacy by subjective 'feel' is that they're not measurable, are highly changeable, and don't really mean anything anyway.

I could give you a weird made up exercise where you shoulder press diagonally away from your delts and tell you to do ten sets starting with one rep, leading up to ten reps adding a rep each set. Take 30 seconds between each set and increase the weight a bit each set.

I promise you you will get a pump, a burn, and the next day you will have horrific find. I also promise you that the exercise is worthless and the set/rep scheme will do almost bugger all.

Yea yea i knew as soon as i said I got awsm pump outv it, youd jump all over it, i aint knew on these forums. im suprised u didnt get in to me bout training arms only..... n yes i do BB curls in the rack i grunt loud wear tight spandex and leave my weights all around the gym.... na im guna give the work outs a cpl of weeks n see how it goes if i feel im just burning out n over trainin and not getin any gains il stop doin it... least il knw, no harm in givin it a crack. im prety sure tho that if jay cutler says it works tho il put on 28 pounds of lean muscle in 9 weeks, surly they wouldnt lie......

Originally Posted by Hutchym8

And LAM i dont think its a waiste of time tryin a new rutine to break up the manontney. it was just only the other day i read about this training style and was just curious to see if any 1 here had traind it or new much about it.

there's nothing wrong with trying new training routines. but following the specific training routine of an IFBB pro that's been training hardcore for 15-20 years is, IMO....a newbie to swimming certainly wouldn't benefit for the same workout that Michael Phelps follows, etc. it's the same principle.

Originally Posted by Hutchym8

Yea yea i knew as soon as i said I got awsm pump outv it, youd jump all over it, i aint knew on these forums. im suprised u didnt get in to me bout training arms only..... n yes i do BB curls in the rack i grunt loud wear tight spandex and leave my weights all around the gym...

Do you you also spot your bro's a little too close on the squat and hope against hope they go nice and deep?

If you want to do some shitty routine jay cutler has been paid to say he does just fucking do it. Don't jerk around making a thread asking questions you know won't change what you've already decided to do.

It's a waste of everybody's time, yours included.

Originally Posted by Gazhole

If you presuppose that the pump means absolutely anything in terms of process it might seem great. The problem with gauging a workout's efficacy by subjective 'feel' is that they're not measurable, are highly changeable, and don't really mean anything anyway.

I could give you a weird made up exercise where you shoulder press diagonally away from your delts and tell you to do ten sets starting with one rep, leading up to ten reps adding a rep each set. Take 30 seconds between each set and increase the weight a bit each set.

I promise you you will get a pump, a burn, and the next day you will have horrific find. I also promise you that the exercise is worthless and the set/rep scheme will do almost bugger all.

This is brilliant.

On a side note, last Friday me and a couple buddies went for beers at a local pub. Me and this friend I dont' see often got into a debate over P90X. He argued it "works" because people say they got results, and so did he. All his argument was "have you done it?" and "they incorporate so much into it, it shocks your body".

I told him it will give results, but anything will with decent diet and rest. I also told him the problem most people have it is it's lack of periodization, its use of "explosive" movements without proper guidance, and its random incorporation of various fitness principles and concepts.

I gave him an example of someone I saw at the gym. Some guy balancing on one foot on one of those half-swiss ball things, while unilateral military pressing what looked like a 3 lb DB. Sure, I'll admit, that would be challenging for me. My balance isn't very good in that lob-sided way, but then again who fucking cares? Just because you throw together all these ideas like balance, unilateral, time under tension, bla bla bla, does that make the exercise more productive???

Earlier that day he made a deadlift PR. I said to him, remember how hard that PR was? He said ya. I said now imagine if you did it one foot balancing on your tippy toes on a swiss ball. That would be "harder" wouldn't it? He said well ya I guess. I said exactly. Does that make it a better exercise?

I hate seeing all these people who think they've struck gold because personal trainers and (paid) idiots in fitness infommercials tell them it's good to do X and Y in your "routines", when (a) blindly incorporating all these principles rids a routine of any potential consistency or direction, (b) the ideas have no rhyme or reason, and (c) the ideas detract from what, in most cases, would otherwise be productive exercises. A military press is a great exercise that trains the whole body isometrically, develops bone density, directly stimulates all the upper body pushing muscles, and develops practical strength. Why ruin the lift by throwing in swiss balls, and this and fucking that? Even pro soccer players don't need that kind of obscure, useless balance. They would train with more more sport-specific, complex moves.

For what little stimulus is gained by tampering with the original exercise, far, far, FAR more is lost.

End of rant. I need to go take a shit.

I think this video illustrates your point pretty well, Phineas. This is my friend, on the net he's called The Project, but here he is doing some swiss/bosu ball stuff.



He has never done this shit before except the day before for a practice for the video. He got the strength, mobility, core stability, and flexibility to do all the stuff in the video by training - DING - basic compound movements in a simple heavy program.

Did i mention he's fucking massive, can bench about 400, squat about 600, and deadlift about 550? Compound exercises done in a properly designed and balanced program that doesn't overtrain the shit out of yo can quite literally help you achieve most anything.

Honestly FST-7 isn't necessary but this is

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

Honestly FST-7 isn't necessary but this is

where the fuck did you find that crazy smiley

Originally Posted by Gazhole

where the fuck did you find that crazy smiley

Curt James

Originally Posted by Gazhole

Do you you also spot your bro's a little too close on the squat and hope against hope they go nice and deep?

If you want to do some shitty routine jay cutler has been paid to say he does just fucking do it. Don't jerk around making a thread asking questions you know won't change what you've already decided to do.

It's a waste of everybody's time, yours included.

How is it a waiste of time asking if any1s tryd this??? U fukin douch bag. yea iv decided 2 giv it a crack n i was always guna do it but the point of the thread was to A) see if any1 had done this or is training it n B) Get ideas for wrkout routines so im sory 2 go against your obviouis genious and try sumthin new. U can bag it all you want but u cant say shit cuz u havnt traind it