Thread: Overtraining

Originally Posted by cheappinz

Nothing beats a quality exercise routine. One part per day, exercise lasting about an hour or so, 3-5 quality exercises with adequate rest in between.
What I think is wrong is the guy working out his bi's, his back, and his quads all in the same day. No rhyme or reason, just a mix match of exercises, mindless reps.
Slow and controlled reps: legs one day, bi's/tris, lats, chest, abs as much as you want...I like to throw them in between sets while recovering. If its split up like this, its a good plan and should get you some good results..

i agree!

You may be unaware of their goals though. Lifting in a slow controlled manner is essential for bodybuilding. However, if you want to get stronger and develop power for sports you must lift as explosively as possible. And, I think a day dedicated to arms is a total waste.

If your observing a guy wearing a belt that has bodybuilding.com on it who wanders around the gym aimlessly with no structured program whatsoever, then I agree with what you said.

whats so wrong with legs back and bis in the same day?

I feel for the people who don't have a good workout program, but a bodypart split is not the only good program.

Originally Posted by pete26

whats so wrong with legs back and bis in the same day?

Legs and back are your two largest muscle groups. Chances are you will be too taxed to work the other optimally. Plus if you're doing legs you're going to need a good back to offer support. So doing back first might make your workout suffer. Doing back second means you've been using it already to support the leg workout, hopefully (squats, romanians, etc.) Kinda depends on what you're shooting for but I never work them together.

Originally Posted by Merkaba

Legs and back are your two largest muscle groups. Chances are you will be too taxed to work the other optimally. Plus if you're doing legs you're going to need a good back to offer support. So doing back first might make your workout suffer. Doing back second means you've been using it already to support the leg workout, hopefully (squats, romanians, etc.) Kinda depends on what you're shooting for but I never work them together.

I agree. I wouldnt say its wrong to do legs and back together, I just think one or the other is gonna suffer fatigue before full potential is achieved.

Originally Posted by Work IN Progress

I agree. I wouldnt say its wrong to do legs and back together, I just think one or the other is gonna suffer fatigue before full potential is achieved.

Yes CNS and Cardiovascular is taxed enough from doing decent work with one of these groups.

Not trying to hi-jack this thread but would like to see some of you post a full body work out. I dont have the pleasure of going to the gym daily, so I have to do what I can to work the major groups.

Originally Posted by Stoner1

Not trying to hi-jack this thread but would like to see some of you post a full body work out. I dont have the pleasure of going to the gym daily, so I have to do what I can to work the major groups.

You dont need the pleasure of going to the gym dailey to be able to split your workouts. The thought of a full body workout in one session is pretty stupid

Originally Posted by ATyler

You dont need the pleasure of going to the gym dailey to be able to split your workouts. The thought of a full body workout in one session is pretty stupid

I'm guessing you've never heard of HST ?

Hypertrophy Specific Training

Originally Posted by chronicelite

I'm guessing you've never heard of HST ?

Hypertrophy Specific Training

I havent... I just wouldn't think you could possibly get in a good enough full body workout in one session im definatly gunna check it out though

Originally Posted by cheappinz

What I think is wrong is the guy working out his bi's, his back, and his quads all in the same day. No rhyme or reason, just a mix match of exercises, mindless reps.

the problem with this type of training is it never truly gets you anywhere. you have to train with purpose and specific short & long term goals. for me this is where the training log comes into play. I simply either increase my working loads or the number of reps performed in the same amount of training time and I have done my job of using progressive overload.

if you can only train twice a week, you aint gonna just work your back alone will you.

unless you wanna look something like this guy:

I don't see any problem with a fullbody workout. Do a deadlift - are you not working your legs, back, and biceps all at once?

Thing is, everyone worries about overtraining, but I'd bet that very few people are actually overtraining. Apart from people on a cut, most of the guys I see at the gym aren't working nearly hard enough. Improper exercise selection and lack of progressive overload are the 2 biggest problems. I wouldn't even consider overtraining to be a problem for most people. People vastly underestimate their recovery abilities.

This is especially true for novices (e.g. 95% of people training at commercial gyms). To me novices need to do the basic barbell exercises at high frequency with progressive overload. Their ability to recover from training is really good. Telling these people to hit their main exercises once per week is doing them a huge disservice. I'd bet most novices could squat 3-4 times per week, deadlift 1-2 times per week, etc. without any trouble.

yes... good point !
it's all in how hard you are working and how you feel after
I work to a point that I feel the burn in my body and that day I can tell I worked, then a little sore and tired the next day. I take one day easy and recover and then I'm fine by then time I hit it again
I go three times full body
mon hard
wed easy
fri hard
I find this works ???

Jey Cutler once said it's impossible to overtrain if you eat enough. I agree with him.

you are probably over training. For starters make sure you change up our routine about every 8 - 12 weeks to keep your program interesting. Secondly, I would guess that on day 5 you're starting over again and in which case you are not giving your body enough time to recuperate. The first thing you should do is start with a week off to make sure you get the recovery you need.

there seems to be many times when you see people who have no direction in the gym.

However there's a couple of guys in my gym that are easily a good 180 lbs plus but probably more, and probably between 5-8,9% body fat. totally ripped and looking pretty buff.
They have some routines that to me look bizarre. but i imagine they know what they're doing as they been in it for years and have a really great pyshique to back up what they're doing.

I dont usually judge b/c I dont know what type of training they're doing or there goals.

yup peoples goals will determine their routines....everybody is different after all.