Thread: the worst training advice youve been given?

My physician told me to not lift weights or eat too much protein.

I never followed this advice but people often tell me not to deadlift at all cause it's bad for you. And not to squat so low it too is apparently bad for you.

More prevalently, the 'high rep for cutting' idea is a bit outdated as well as the general aversion towards lifting in the 1-5 rep range. I also think lifters would be well served to adopt a powerlifting-esque style of training to get overall bigger before they start incorporating bobybuilding-style movements. Until they can lift substantial weight, they aren't going to get much out of their accessory movements.

The one exercise per bodypart method. Serge NUbret style of training i.e 20 sets on one exercise per body part.

Also doing upper body and lower body eod-unfortunately i tried tha latter, the results were not pretty.

And whilst was not directed at me the Pt's and instructors always tell bullshit advice to fat people and beginners-high reps to lose weight, spot reduction and my personal favorite "don't go so heavy that you struggle"-wow, just wow

I was on the hamster wheel in the gym yesterday and Dr. Oz was on the tv. He was saying that people should eat olives, nuts, and I think, figs, in order to lose the "muffin top".

Not once did he mention anything about a caloric deficit.

Originally Posted by trapzilla

Also doing upper body and lower body eod-unfortunately i tried tha latter, the results were not pretty.

What is eod? Are you saying doing an upper lower split is bad advice?

every other day

Like upper rest lower rest? What's wrong with that? That's a great way to train. I have made very solid gains doing this.

Calorie restricted dieting. Worst advice ever! I did a cutting program from Dec-Mar this year and lost just about 30lbs of fat all by EATING MORE, of course smaller meals but I ate 8x a day

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

Like upper rest lower rest? What's wrong with that? That's a great way to train. I have made very solid gains doing this.

Steay on eager beaver, not what i was saying. I was saying upper,lowe,upper,lower,upper,lower,rest.
but it was a full upper body and full lower body every day.
I blame and thank that routine for my high muscular and strength endurance and inability to grow off low volume which if i remeber correctly is what you do

Originally Posted by trapzilla

The one exercise per bodypart method. Serge NUbret style of training i.e 20 sets on one exercise per body part.

Also doing upper body and lower body eod-unfortunately i tried tha latter, the results were not pretty.

And whilst was not directed at me the Pt's and instructors always tell bullshit advice to fat people and beginners-high reps to lose weight, spot reduction and my personal favorite "don't go so heavy that you struggle"-wow, just wow

Ive never heard this method. Even im not dumb enough to have tried it.

Originally Posted by TJTJ

Calorie restricted dieting. Worst advice ever! I did a cutting program from Dec-Mar this year and lost just about 30lbs of fat all by EATING MORE, of course smaller meals but I ate 8x a day

I agree with you on this TJ IMO the best diets are ones that allow you to steadily lose fat and ones that are heavily calorie restircted for me result in worse results than high cal diets with sufficient exercise and carbohydrate manipulation

Originally Posted by trapzilla

I agree with you on this TJ IMO the best diets are ones that allow you to steadily lose fat and ones that are heavily calorie restircted for me result in worse results than high cal diets with sufficient exercise and carbohydrate manipulation

OF course. This is because when youre on a rectrited diet your body is starving for proteins and energy. This is the cause of your body going in to a catabolic state. i.e eating your muscle to get the aminos/proteins it need to repair. Crazy advice

edited: nevermind

Originally Posted by TJTJ

OF course. This is because when youre on a rectrited diet your body is starving for proteins and energy. This is the cause of your body going in to a catabolic state. i.e eating your muscle to get the aminos/proteins it need to repair. Crazy advice

yeah and not to mention the hormonal effects of such a low caloried diet, barely enough aminos floating around to produce enzymes and hormones. it just takes one look at a long distance runner to see what a calorie deficit diet can do for you-screw you up big time

Originally Posted by trapzilla

yeah and not to mention the hormonal effects of such a low caloried diet, barely enough aminos floating around to produce enzymes and hormones. it just takes one look at a long distance runner to see what a calorie deficit diet can do for you-screw you up big time

Also Fats are necessary for hormone production esp Test but I was on a fat restricted diet and didnt see any lose of muscle, in fact my strength went up. But I believe this was due to the fat my body had in reserve. Im doing the same 12week routine but adjusting my meal plan to include a wide range of moderate fats and increased earthy foods.

May be due to the whole UK thing but was is an earthy food :s. I presume foods such as potatoes, carrots etc?
yeah one thing i'm looking into is the exact importance of proteins in muscle building or for that matter fats. In my dietetics studies I am looking at Polynesian and South African eating habits both argueably produce some of the largest and strognest rugby players today and yet they both follow culturally very different diets one carbohydrate based i.e. Polynesian and one protein and fat based i.e. South African. and based on some rough tests on my own diet there does not appear to be a diminsihing effect when on either of these diets in terms of strength or muscle volume.

Fat requirements aren't terribly high. I don't remember the particular figure but the threshold for required fat is relatively lower than that of protein.

Relatively low fat diets have been effective throughout bodybuilding's history (especially common with high level, heavily geared bodybuilders); it just tends to be a pain for many individuals to diet down in that matter --- low fat diets tend to be tougher to stick to.

When one is dieting down, it's nice to bump the fat up a bit as it tends to promote satiety.

Originally Posted by trapzilla

May be due to the whole UK thing but was is an earthy food :s. I presume foods such as potatoes, carrots etc?
yeah one thing i'm looking into is the exact importance of proteins in muscle building or for that matter fats. In my dietetics studies I am looking at Polynesian and South African eating habits both argueably produce some of the largest and strognest rugby players today and yet they both follow culturally very different diets one carbohydrate based i.e. Polynesian and one protein and fat based i.e. South African. and based on some rough tests on my own diet there does not appear to be a diminsihing effect when on either of these diets in terms of strength or muscle volume.

More like Dark greens, Kale, Spinach, Quinoa grains, Grains and shit like that. Just nothing processed and if the earth grows it Ill most likely eat it.
I want to get in to Rugby. I love my Football but those guys are beasts! I jsut dont know they rules and shit. And yes they are big fuckers. First thing I noticed was how wide their shoulders were. Looks like they already have their own pads on lol

But let this man get

Originally Posted by trapzilla

Steay on eager beaver, not what i was saying. I was saying upper,lowe,upper,lower,upper,lower,rest.
but it was a full upper body and full lower body every day.
I blame and thank that routine for my high muscular and strength endurance and inability to grow off low volume which if i remeber correctly is what you do

Ya I wouldn't go every day that wouldn't be good. I just wasn't sure what you were saying. And ya I low like volume but I respect a good high volume routine and it's enthusiasts.

Dips are bad for your shoulders

Only Smith Machine Squats are safe, and never go down to parallel

Standing on one foot improves core recruitment

Limited fasting makes you lose muscle

The only real deadlift is a SLDL, everything else is gonna ruin your back.

I had a guy half my size trying to tell me how to get big I didn't ask for any advice.

I told him, thats funny normally guys your size are the ones asking me for advice.

Whats more funny is he said it doesn't take eating a lot to get big Super advice huh??? LOL!!!

Originally Posted by JerBear1980

I had a guy half my size trying to tell me how to get big I didn't ask for any advice.

I told him, thats funny normally guys your size are the ones asking me for advice.

Whats more funny is he said it doesn't take eating a lot to get big Super advice huh??? LOL!!!

By anychance was he a Fitness Centre personal trainer?

I had one try to teach me how to do seated calf raises, i was honestly on the verge of curbstomping the 4 foot 9 prick

Originally Posted by TJTJ

Calorie restricted dieting. Worst advice ever! I did a cutting program from Dec-Mar this year and lost just about 30lbs of fat all by EATING MORE, of course smaller meals but I ate 8x a day

This was the worst advice anyone ever gave me.

With this method, and tons of cardio, I dieted my way up to 40% bodyfat. Six or more meals a day, complex carbs with every meal, and lots and lots of cardio.

<shudders>

TJTJ, you lost weight because you ran a caloric deficit. The number of meals you eat was immaterial. You of all people should know this, that meal frequency does not impact upon metabolic rate. You're in school studying this stuff, it's old news now - published research dates back to at least 1997.

Shame on you for perpetuating misinformation.

Originally Posted by Built

This was the worst advice anyone ever gave me.

With this method, and tons of cardio, I dieted my way up to 40% bodyfat. Six or more meals a day, complex carbs with every meal, and lots and lots of cardio.

<shudders>

TJTJ, you lost weight because you ran a caloric deficit. The number of meals you eat was immaterial. You of all people should know this, that meal frequency does not impact upon metabolic rate. You're in school studying this stuff, it's old news now - published research dates back to at least 1997.

Shame on you for perpetuating misinformation.

Isnt that odd. This information is still being taught, multiple meals (6-8x a day) and has plenty of backed up studies and it worked for me. I only did 25mins of cardio(walking) 2x a day. So fewer, larger, meals will? And this wont cause the body to go in to starvation mode? is it even possible to be 40% fat? Thats like Jabba the hut fat. I ate like a monster, I never counted calories but I know i wasnt deficit by a long shot. $200 a week in food. I ate so much raw oats, wheat, rye and barley everyday. The photos you see in my profile are the after shots of this very meal plan and 12 week WO. Very strange to hear this. Maybe it's my genetics oh'well

I would never intentionally 'perpetuate misinformation' to the BB community. Everything I do is for the greater good. I live for this life style.

Some people just feel better eating more frequently. If i was hoarding my childs Dexedrine and abusing it for myself, i might be able to fast all day long and then get my cals in later at night.

Fat loss occurs as a result of being in a caloric deficit. As Built mentioned, the amount of meals that you eat isn't particularly important outside of it's relation to compliance -- one can lose fat on 3 meals a day as well as 8.

Eating "a lot" isn't a quantitative measurement of your calories. That fact that you lost fat is the indicator that you were in a deficit.

Forget about starvation mode. I believe the figure is 72 hours of no nutrition before the body experiences adverse effects. I'm not going to defend this point. Feel free to read up on intermittent fasting for details on this concept. Martin Berkhan's "Leangains" protocol is based on IF and he has plenty of research on his site.

Originally Posted by TJTJ

is it even possible to be 40% fat? Thats like Jabba the hut fat.

Got to remember girls are like 20-25% when they are skinny. I'm not saying your wrong in what you posted this time(I can't even remember what you said in this thread) but try not to be so arrogant, you don't know as much as you think you do and it will be a lot easier to learn when you realize you don't have all the answers.