Thread: Thoughts on p90x?

yeah, your not ready for P90X, go to the gym where you can control the pace weight and routine. P90X although it's not a BB program so to speak it is high aerobic exercise with some resistance and if you don't workout at all I guess you weren't ready for that. Start with this link to a post by "Built", thats the best place to start.
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P90x as far as I'm concerned is for VERY advanced people. People who know how to make sure you they are doing optimal form and technique, as this system pretty much ignores that. Also, dietary consumption is way more important. There are no magic workouts, or magic moves. If you have a few minutes and want to be entertained then read this. Strong language ahead: P90x

P90x is pretty good in my opinion for someone just getting in to lifting. It gives them a layed out schedule instead of going in there not knowing what they are doing.

Pointless to do P90X if you don't follow the diet strictly. It will get you in excellent cardiovascular shape and you will lose fat with the strict diet it provides. I ripped it from a torrent site and did it a few years ago. I lost 17 pounds. Didn't care much for the resistence workouts. Going to the gym is far superior. All in all I would recommend it if you are a fat person but don't even waste your time if you aren't gonna be strict in diet.

Interesting. I'm in the process of constructing a diet plan for myself using a few resource on Iron Mag so in terms of nutrition I should have something constructed soon. I tried the first workout today (Chest and Back) and although i wasn't able to keep up with them I did finish the workout. They have many variations of each exercise for beginners which in time allows people to work up to the harder variations.

Keep in mind im not looking for any shortcuts or anything, I actually am very determined to work hard and get fit! Thanks for all your replies!

Terms like “muscle confusion” are common and many will tell you that these are sound exercise principles. In fact,they are useless techniques that are the opposite of progress and are often gimmicks promoted by greedy entrepreneurs.

These training methods can even be used to hide the fact that paying clients are making zero improvements following the routine.

In reality, most of the new fads like CrossFit, P90X, Insanity, etc. are simply glorified and well marketed versions of circuit training.

The muscle confusion theory leads to a paradox: training that leads to no significant muscular adaption. The body can only adapt sufficiently to chronic stressors, which are stressors that are applied with enough intensity and regularity to cause a change in the physiology necessary to the adaptation.

If you frequently change the nature of these stressors, your physiology can only adapt to those aspects which are consistent between workouts. The cardiovascular (CV) system may respond and adapt to every circuit training session you conduct, but if the exercises are not consistent, no adaptation. If, for example, you choose a different lower body exercise for each session, your body will only accommodate strength into those parameters which are consistent from workout to workout.

To the untrained eye a variety of exercises may seem like a good idea, but in reality it limits strength because the body’s inherent motor learning capacity is reduced.

The bottom line is this: training the same exercises regularly allows the body to adapt and thus grow stronger, while training a large variety

of exercises equates to doing the same workouts with little to no adaptation.
So bascially, this muscle confusion is BS and a total myth.

Woah, if I'm not going to making any progress then to hell with p90x! I'll admit the whole idea of muscle confusion did intrigue me, I actually did do some research on it but most of the stuff didn't make sense to me.

It seems everyone is recommending to go hit the gym. Looks like im going to make my very first gym membership tomorrow, sounds exciting!

Originally Posted by Tdot01

Hi everyone!

Well im new to the world of fitness and I thought I would start off with something like p90x before I actually jump into a gym as im not in the best shape right now.

Any thoughts/suggestions?

This stuff is high impact, so if you're not in shape stay away from it. I think it works better for lighter folks, it will beat the heck out of your joints!

This is what the sprint circuit was made foor at then gym,then there's the H.I.T.T. method.My 2cents...join the gym and get a couple of months under your belt...then if your still curious try the p90x way!(probably be cheaper by then too)

I just joined up at my local gym today WOO!

Let the training begin!

Originally Posted by feinburgrl

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How do you have negitive reputation when the only reps you got have been positive?

Originally Posted by feinburgrl

Terms like “muscle confusion” are common and many will tell you that these are sound exercise principles. In fact,they are useless techniques that are the opposite of progress and are often gimmicks promoted by greedy entrepreneurs.

These training methods can even be used to hide the fact that paying clients are making zero improvements following the routine.

In reality, most of the new fads like CrossFit, P90X, Insanity, etc. are simply glorified and well marketed versions of circuit training.

The muscle confusion theory leads to a paradox: training that leads to no significant muscular adaption. The body can only adapt sufficiently to chronic stressors, which are stressors that are applied with enough intensity and regularity to cause a change in the physiology necessary to the adaptation.

If you frequently change the nature of these stressors, your physiology can only adapt to those aspects which are consistent between workouts. The cardiovascular (CV) system may respond and adapt to every circuit training session you conduct, but if the exercises are not consistent, no adaptation. If, for example, you choose a different lower body exercise for each session, your body will only accommodate strength into those parameters which are consistent from workout to workout.

To the untrained eye a variety of exercises may seem like a good idea, but in reality it limits strength because the body’s inherent motor learning capacity is reduced.

The bottom line is this: training the same exercises regularly allows the body to adapt and thus grow stronger, while training a large variety

of exercises equates to doing the same workouts with little to no adaptation.
So bascially, this muscle confusion is BS and a total myth.

Positive Repped for this post. Nice. I haven't really seen it put this way before.

I've often said the same thing, in a different way. Instead of learning how to half ass do a major movement and thus getting a limited response, How about learning how to master the exercise or really nail it, so you can become so familiar with it you can change intensities and modalities at will, thus getting the most bang for your buck. For christ sake, all we are doing is shortening and relaxing muscles! Confusion? People are already confused enough, obviously. How about un-confusion! Sounds like a marketing word I'll have to use!

I think you're dead on here. If there is any double blind tested data out there about this I would love to add it to my knowledge base.
Damn seeing this post almost....ALMOST gives me that post orgasmic feeling like there is actually some good in this world... Ok maybe that's going too far but again...VERY REFRESHING shall we say.

Would you guys group Crossfit in the same category? Everyone on the island seems to either be doing P90x or Insanity....and everyone who tells he they are doing it....never seems to finish

nver read much or even knowmuch about it just stcik to compound movemtns deadlifts bench press squats ect all these facny workout things p90x and all that are just a gimmic they have usually got some got chick swinging there ass back and forth on some stupid machine saying things like "hey p90x is great i lot 10 pounds" all with a big cheesy fake smile with there sergically enhanced whitent teeth .. who the fuck smiles at the gym?

Originally Posted by Boogz1218

Would you guys group Crossfit in the same category? Everyone on the island seems to either be doing P90x or Insanity....and everyone who tells he they are doing it....never seems to finish

Ya it's all just glorified circuit training. And they don't finish because they keep eating deep fried candy bars everyday and don't know why they can't loose weight.

Originally Posted by Boogz1218

Would you guys group Crossfit in the same category? Everyone on the island seems to either be doing P90x or Insanity....and everyone who tells he they are doing it....never seems to finish

There are a lot of sources on how bad crossfit is for your body.
Works for some people, but overall not a good program

P90x isnt bad, its great if your already in fantastic shape, but if you are average than it is not the program for you. Its just a muscle confusion program, with a great diet program. Without both, it gives less than optimal results.

Originally Posted by SurfsideRyan

There are a lot of sources on how bad crossfit is for your body.
Works for some people, but overall not a good program

P90x isnt bad, its great if your already in fantastic shape, but if you are average than it is not the program for you. Its just a muscle confusion program, with a great diet program. Without both, it gives less than optimal results.

Read my post above and you should get a good understand how muscle confusion is a BS/myth.

Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

Ya it's all just glorified circuit training. And they don't finish because they keep eating deep fried candy bars everyday and don't know why they can't loose weight.

This. The only difference is in the marketing angle. P90 is 90 days...so of course insanity is telling you you can blah blah blah in 60 days! And like I said earlier...if you don't then you didn't do it hard enough. You didn't "earn it" ...lol...

Noone finishes because it's not realistic to think you'll want to do something similar to military boot camp or football camp, three or four times a week. NO ONE want's to do that! Period.

Originally Posted by SurfsideRyan

There are a lot of sources on how bad crossfit is for your body.
Works for some people, but overall not a good program

we use crossfit quite a bit....military. Its excellent, agility,endurance/stamina, and strength circuit training given a different name.
Not really anything space aged and special but very beneficial way of training...obviously dependant on goals but really it wouldn't be bad to do it once in while; yeah "its bad for your body" if you dive into an advanced circuit and you're fat and nasty without an athletic bone in your body...but really thats true for any type of fitness.

As far as P90, its a fuckin waist of money. One of my good friends fell for the bullshit and dropped the $100+ on it. Oh yeah he lost weight like a sumbitch, "it worked." The hallarious thing about it is I couldn't tell him otherwise, P90 is the all mighty!, so at that time January 1st this year I also needed to get my body unfucked as I fell off the fitness wagon for a while so i chose to cut the fat as well. We both worked for the magical 90 days....endstate I lost 7lbs more, he worked out doing P90 for that hour+ a night tranced to a fuckin TV and all I did was unfuck my diet and did HIIT for 18min 3 times a week....on a treadmill. Point being to the OP screw P90 put that money towards decent food; and to anyone on the dick of P90.....wake the fuck up!

In general circuit training is for endurance training. Having a healthy diet is the key to losing weight. It will help with weight lost but without a good diet then it's pointless.

P90X is all marketing hype and it's a poor muscle strength program because it's a circuit training program. Most of the people who gain muscle by using P90X alone have never workout and the people who has big muscle in the after photos were hitting the gym before using P90X. The only they that P90X did for them is to lose the fat which the diet program they follow did that for them and not the circuit training.

Just to remind people that P90X is focusing on beach body figure and not muscular body building type. Me personal the beach body figure looks plain and does not look like they workout that much.

Insanity rules the day in the end.

I read today that the p90x system was a packaged sales program designed by a life long infomercial entrepreneur whom started in the trade during the 80's.
According to the article, Tony Horton is just some lucky duck that was in the right place at the right time to be the face of the program. $400 million worth of business last year, and the top dogs goal is to do ONE BILLION dollars (little finger on corner of the mouth) next year.

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Originally Posted by feinburgrl

Just to remind people that P90X is focusing on beach body figure and not muscular body building type.

Originally Posted by Fear

Insanity rules the day in the end.

A cardio-based training protocol isn't sustainable. Insanity is shit for the same reason.

Beachbody cash cow is not P90X. P90X is the most popular circuit training program but what Beachbody most of the money is from Shakeology. $120 for 30 day supply and they don't advise on this product at all. Their coaches AKA sale rep to promote this shit. They claim all these things about Shakeology and Beachbody can't get in trouble for it because there not saying it. The sales reps are saying it and that's how they get around it.

Think about it you can only sell P90X to so many people but Shakeology can be re bought every month and that's the same price to the P90X.

Originally Posted by feinburgrl

Terms like “muscle confusion” are common and many will tell you that these are sound exercise principles. In fact,they are useless techniques that are the opposite of progress and are often gimmicks promoted by greedy entrepreneurs.

100% correct...muscle confusion is made up. skeletal muscle knows nothing about exercises only intensity, that is the only thing that needs to be varied. the rest is purely for the brain and keeping the person interested in exercise.

P90x is a useful training program but there is nothing miraculous about it....

Originally Posted by Marat

A cardio-based training protocol isn't sustainable. Insanity is shit for the same reason.

Maybe to "hardcore" bbers, not to chubby people trying to lose weight.

Shawn T. ftw vs. T. Horton.

Originally Posted by -Hammer

Maybe to "hardcore" bbers, not to chubby people trying to lose weight.

Shawn T. ftw vs. T. Horton.

Sure they'll lose a bunch of fat if they are following a strict diet and doing a bunch of cardio for a few months. However, almost all of them will gain it back. This concept is something that comes from the collective experience and individuals who've never lost fat don't recognize this.

I'm not too impressed if a fat person can lose 30 or 50 or 75 pounds or any large amount of weight. It's nice -- but the issue is maintaining their body weight for the rest of their lives. These programs do nothing for developing a sustainable lifestyle.

That's just one aspect that's wrong with these programs, you can look through the "p90x" thread for more information.

not that you need my input now, but p90x is ok i think, but your body will respond to anything you do that is diffrent, especially if you have not been very active. i think people jump into it and say "omg its so hard, but im seeing great results" but i think its because they have not been doing anything, so they just credit it all to the "magic" of p90x...

i know my own body and what it needs better than tony horton ever could, so i stay in the gym learning my body and ajusting my routines according to what my body is telling me.